Can someone Photoshop this to say Microsoft because that’s exactly how I feel at work.
I gotchu
It really isnt bad? Like easier navigation on a phone is always a welcome change.
Imagine the earth does an update and swaps the US and Australia for “easier navigation”. Would you be happy?
Lemmy’s biggest competitor at this point isn’t reddit, it’s Discord, or rather, the monster it has become. It seems to me that instead of creating a subreddit nowadays, every project now wants to use a Discord server for everything.
The problem with that is:
- Asking messages in a big, open chatroom (over, say, 20 people) gets real messy, real quickly.
- Conversations on Discord are difficult to follow when multiple of them are going at once.
- The conversations containing solutions to problems in chat or threads are not search indexable, which is the reason why reddit became quietly dominant in search results, it is simply the biggest centralized repository of organized English language text conversations available.
So why do people insist on using Discord servers to build their community? Simple, it’s the network effect. If somebody wants tech support, it’s way easier to click a Discord invite on an account for group chat you already have than it is to sign up for yet another forum that you only use once. But Lemmy doesn’t suffer from that problem of traditional forums because of federation.
Which brings me to my point, if Lemmy is to grow, it’s better to sell Lemmy to disgruntled Discord admins and forum owners to move their community than it is to get people to move off reddit at this point, since people who wants to leave reddit has all done so at this point.
Discord sucks, but I’ve actually had a 100% successful help rate on it vs Reddit or Lemmy.
Typically Discord servers have specific tech support rooms, and you’ll get help pretty quickly. Only once I have had to ask my question a second time, because it was missed the first time.
Meanwhile Reddit threads just get downvoted, buried, and you’re never helped. Even when I try to search for threads that other people have posted, 90% of threads are just blank.
Lemmy is the worst. Doesn’t matter what you need, they’ll just call you stupid and tell you to use Linux and FOSS alternative, ignoring the fact you NEED to use what you’re asking help with.
A forum should work in tandem with a chatroom in an “ideal” online community, imo. Searchable Q&A with a communication for additional, nuanced interaction. They serve different purposes and can be more powerful when used together, than they could be on their own.
Lemmy does seem to have a bunch of old, crotchety internet nerds on here that like the “old ways” of the webs. But just tell 'em to “go fuck yourself”, if they’re being a dick; and than don’t reply to them again. It’s very freeing. They’re just butt sensitive about linux and foss, cause they were bullied on early internet forums and now act the same way, when expressing their loud-ass opinions. It’s like an unfortunate cycle of abuse that has existed on forums, but don’t let it discourage you from asking anyway… the question might help others
I’m a crotchety old internet nerd… tell me to “go fuck myself”, just for funsies! It’s empowering!
And also… fuck you buddy, get good!
I feel like Discord fills a different need than forum type systems.
The one API I have on discord, likes Discord as a place for casual chat about the system. I think the devs prefer it because it is an active place for the community; to word it better, ‘hey look at this cool thing I did’ > response within a few minutes ‘that’s cool’ heart^5 fire^3 thumbs up^7. Whereas on a forum you’d be waiting for hours, or just not have that casual of a conversation.
It replaces the old usage of IRC servers.
The help channel is highly responsive, and great for things you want a quick chat about, need a response now, or if you get help now great, but if not, you’ll figure it out on your own before you would ever get help on a forum, so it’s not worth posting to a forum.
Threads really do help organize when a discussion is going to be large, and discord is very much searchable, just not from your browser search engine.
For changes to the API, ideas, issues, or bugs, they direct you to github “Discussions” or “Issues”. They do have an idea discord channel, but it’s a more casual thing, or far out there discussions.
Discord does get a lot of hate for it’s searchability, which is valid, but I don’t have a problem with it as long as places like Stack Overflow (or what replaces it) are still around.
To everyone complaining about the updates; it’s likely that after a week or so you will just get used to the new layout and won’t even think about it anymore.
Personally, I have no issues with the update. Took about 5 mins to understand the changes move on. I also welcome the true black theme. Will save a decent amount of battery on my phone.
I heavily disagree with you. People who get annoyed by certain ui changes always will, I still hate YouTube’s new layout multiple years later.
There are always people getting annoyed by changes, doesn’t matter what the changes are. Sometimes I get the impression that humans just need something to be annoyed about.
Old.reddit vs new…
Honestly great example.
I was in this same boat until I realized I can’t send images from mobile right now and looking around for others talking about it, there were complaints that images they sent were sent to the wrong people or chats. If true, that’s insanely incompetent for a business or their size.
Knowing how their desktop app works on Linux (or more specifically doesn’t and requires you to mingle with it if you want any degree of Wayland awareness) it doesn’t surprise me their app remake (because it’s not just a redesign) is total garbage. I hope they get around to fixing the performance and bugs; but as things are right now I’m staying on Vendetta and refuse to update.
I really like this update, because it will force people to check better alternatives. Also, I don’t use Discord because I have no friends.
Go figure
Community should fork & fix it⋯ oh
You know there is a fork on Android called Aliucord. It allows you to install pluggins like better discord.
Its not a fork it just injects some stuff into the app. And it uses a really old version as a base because they have a shortage of devs.
Or vendroid
I can vouch for vendetta, it’s wonderful. I used to use aliucord as well
I don’t use Discord for security/privacy reasons, but none of these are listed on F-Droid
They’re mods of the proprietary Discord client, so yeah they don’t meet the criteria. But the mods themselves are open source which is nice.
I really like the update 🤷♂️
Personally hate the change to the swipe. I get that on some huge servers people probably use the “reply” feature a lot, but I definitely don’t have so much use for it as to give up the nice, coherent and logical UX of “channel/server list is on the left, user list is on the right, just swipe to them”.
IMO, swiping should be for navigating UI, not interacting with individual items. Now there’s a useless thing on the swipe and I have to reach to the top of the screen if I want to check who’s online and in the channel. Annoying.
That and the new DM screen doesn’t use swipe right as navigation, it’s just a “back” button now. Can’t quickly look at the DM list and go back to your conversation by swiping right-left any more. Literal lazy design because this is an easier way to program that interaction.
Don’t care super much about the DM button moving, it’s more convenient to access but breaks the UI paradigm. Shrug.
Oh, and the “midnight” theme is not new, you could use it for years now in the old versions.
discord is my compromise platform, because the only other platform all my friends could agree on was whatsapp, and fuck meta
So you chose tencent?
yes this is oversimplified blah blah
it was a difficult choice - I pushed for them all to join signal, but there were some holdouts.
Whatsapp was e2ee, which discord is not. Discord can run in a webbrowser or a sandboxed flatpak on my desktop. All messengers suck, what ya gonna do?
They agree on WhatsApp? All my friends want to stick to the horrible Facebook Messenger for some reason.
We’re a weird mix of nerds in our mid to late 30s, some care enough about privacy to not have Facebook, but had been on whatsapp since pre meta.
Some refuse to install new apps, because “ugh not another one”
Definitely a compromise
They want to appear to care about privacy, you mean.
Because all of those apps own (literally or is their property) every image text and other data you give it
there are levels of data hygiene and levels of inconvenience people willing to put up with. Pumping less data points into the machine is still better than pumping more
I don’t agree. Pumping more is better if you don’t care. Because then it can provide the services of knowing you.
Looks fine to me. Some people just bitch about every ui change.
I do actually think this one is an improvement, and I’m usually a UI change hater.
A good change imo. Never made sense to me, both in desktop and mobile that DMs are located right with the server list. I don’t use it as much, but when I use it, it’s precisely for DMs, so I think it’s a change for the better. Some people complaining like they change every single part of the UI should touch some grass, sometimes change isn’t a bad thing.
How the fuck do I see who’s online on a server now that I can’t open the drawer on the right anymore? I don’t use Discord much but I could figure it out.
Click the channel title
That is definitely not the place I would expect that to have been, thank you
There’s a chevron next to the channel name, indicating that you can get more details if you tap that. I get that it’s a significant design change but I don’t think it’s that unintuitive.
It’s not clear though, because if I reminder correctly, tapping channel names before this update would give you information related to the channel, didn’t it?
And it still does…
It does the same as it did before. Hitting the channel name was just an alternative navigation method to swiping the chat window.
This is why everyone should disable auto updates
Granted, apps can lock you out if you don’t have a certain version, but by and large, you should be able to choose to update when there’s this drastic of a change
It’s web based, so the UI updated on older versions of the app too. I had to downgrade to 126.21 to avoid this shit ui
Mines on 195.0 (iOS, idk if android has a different version build) and I’m still on the older ui. Wonder where the threshold is.
Lol. The website doesn’t even let me log in because the form doesn’t recognize that I fucking passed the bot check.
I can’t fathom why everything is on discord nowadays. It’s garbage software.
it’s because the alternatives suck more
slack is paid, irc is a bodge on top of a bodge on top of a bodge, xmpp is rather similar, and matrix… would be nice if any of the clients except element supported any of the features, and also if message synchronization worked more than halfway
Tbh, I would not mind a proper chat standard built on activitypub, it’s obvious that this protocol works, now if only somebody built a secure messaging platform with it.
The creator of Pixelfed is making something
Looks very interesting, love to see how well it works (and interoperates between different fediverse platforms)
MAM & carbons is a solved issue with message synchronization on XMPP. Works great.
I hate it. It takes longer to get to useful features and in place you can now access things you’ve never cared to use faster.
You don’t like excessive padding and useless information thrown into your face? The update is just to sell themes and shit on mobile, there was no UX consultation. Download version 205.15 to get the normal UI back.