- unexposedhazard ( @unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ) 66•9 months ago
You forgot the homeless people, forced to live under that interchange because you know, america, freedom etc…
- N-E-N ( @NENathaniel@lemmy.ca ) 11•9 months ago
I could be wrong but iirc, Italy also has a lot of homelessness
- unexposedhazard ( @unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ) 52•9 months ago
According to wikipedia, 8.4/10k for italy vs 17.5/10k for the US. So while the US is the richest country in the world they have twice as many homeless people per capita :/
- N-E-N ( @NENathaniel@lemmy.ca ) 13•9 months ago
I see thanks for clarification
- lars ( @lars@lemmy.sdf.org ) 1•9 months ago
Omg make it stop — I’m already too free
- vexikron ( @vexikron@lemmy.zip ) 27•9 months ago
Duh, moron, the future is you just live in the car.
You cant legally park it anywhere near anything useful for survival, and gas is expensive and so is car insurance.
But thats fine because cars and car companies have more rights than people! Or something…
What I am saying is anyone who walks to the grocery store /deserves/ to get run over.
Natural Selection mannnnn!
inhales
Alright, feelin good, got beer in the glove compartment, time to film my magnum opus:
DeathRace 2024.
YEEEEEHAAAWWW!!!
immediately peels out, doesnt see other driver blowing a red light until too late, swerves to avoid and crashes into the weed dispensary, paralyzing himself from the legs down and killing 4 others
- GreyBeard ( @greybeard@lemmy.one ) 11•9 months ago
In many cities, people are literally living in cars that don’t run, in public parking spaces, because it’s the only enclosed place they can afford to live in.
- vexikron ( @vexikron@lemmy.zip ) 7•9 months ago
Yep, and that is almost always illegal, and such people almost always end up having the car towed, having to pay for the car being towed, losing all their possessions and then becoming homeless.
Its just a matter of time until enough people report it and the police get around to it.
- hackris ( @hackris@lemmy.ml ) 8•9 months ago
Capitalist wet dream right here
- vexikron ( @vexikron@lemmy.zip ) 6•9 months ago
cue America Fuck Yeah! song
- Semi-Hemi-Demigod ( @Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social ) 11•9 months ago
Even better: Leaving that land undeveloped and natural, instead of cramming humans or cars on it
- mondoman712 ( @mondoman712@lemmy.ml ) 24•9 months ago
People need to live somewhere, and if they live somewhere like Siena it leaves more space for nature.
- Semi-Hemi-Demigod ( @Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social ) 8•9 months ago
Yeah, and the nicer urbanists can make cities the more empty land there will be. And I can live in a pile of rocks with animals for my friends while you all enjoy the nice cities.
- D1G17AL ( @D1G17AL@kbin.social ) 4•9 months ago
What a dumb take.
- NoIWontPickaName ( @NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social ) 7•9 months ago
Nah
- atro_city ( @atro_city@fedia.io ) 10•9 months ago
bUt wE hAve EnoUGh sPaCE!
- LovesTha🥧 ( @LovesTha@floss.social ) 9•9 months ago
@eya This is such a weird way to compare countries anyway, Italy has giant interchanges too: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.929109,12.7359436,1733m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu
Because it’s not meant to compare countries, it’s meant to compare sizes. That interchange could be replaced with any interchange of similar size.
- HotsauceHurricane ( @HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.one ) English6•9 months ago
Well damn start building apartments in the empty parts. Its not that difficult to understand.
- spacesatan ( @spacesatan@lemm.ee ) 13•9 months ago
With 6inch thick windows or intolerable noise pollution, sounds great. I wonder which one penny pinching developers are going to build.
- lightnsfw ( @lightnsfw@reddthat.com ) 3•9 months ago
That looks like hell. Where do you go when you want to get away from people?
- KnowledgeableNip ( @KnowledgeableNip@leminal.space ) 34•9 months ago
The parks or your own home. I don’t normally go into the middle of a highway interchange for solitude.
- lightnsfw ( @lightnsfw@reddthat.com ) 6•9 months ago
Parks with all the other people? Locked in a room in a 300 sq ft apartment with your family/roommates outside?
The interchange allows you to live far enough away from the overcrowded city that you can own a bigger piece of land where you’re not packed in with your neighbors like sardines so you can actually go outside and sit and be alone without hearing 15 other families doing shit. It also allows you to have enough space to have a workshop space for hobbies or a garden or whatever else you want to do.
- thereisalamp ( @thereisalamp@reddthat.com ) 16•9 months ago
You understand that Italy has areas that are not as densely populated as the city center. In fact some places are down right rural. And the US has some very densely populated square milage.
This is such a wild, wild take on the US’s cat centric build.
- baseless_discourse ( @baseless_discourse@mander.xyz ) 13•9 months ago
Most country, urbanist or not, do have wilderness, where you can live and die without people know.
You don’t need to live in the city if you dont want to. You can live off grid, and burn your own feces for heat if that is the life of your choosing. What people here are fighting for is to keep this living style is outside of cities.
Basically, city is not the place for giant emotional support vehicles. And outside traffic should not disrupt the normal form of transportation in cities, which should be dominated by public transport, walking, and efficient personal vehicles (like bike, scooters, wheelchairs, etc).
- MiddledAgedGuy ( @MiddledAgedGuy@beehaw.org ) 7•9 months ago
This is my hangup as well.
I agree with the premise of this sub. The way car first places such as the US does things is a problem. The cars themselves and the underlying infrastructure, such as that exchange.
But I also don’t want to live in cramped multidweller unit housing. I’ve done so most of my life and I hated it.
I don’t know what or even if there’s a good solution that accomodates both, but I hope so.
- mondoman712 ( @mondoman712@lemmy.ml ) 9•9 months ago
You can have walkable areas that aren’t all multi unit. This video goes over some existing places that fit.
And if you’re someone that wants to live somewhere actually remote, having dense urban areas instead of suburban sprawl will leave more space for rural areas and nature.
- baseless_discourse ( @baseless_discourse@mander.xyz ) 2•9 months ago
I am no expert, but if we are allowed to design everything from ground up, I believe personal electric vehicle (e-bike etc, abbreviated as PEV) for suburb, transit/bike/walk in city, and high speed rail between cities are probably the way to go.
City should be mostly car free, people can transit to suburb via transit, and to other city via rail. People move within city using walk/bike/tram. Vehicle besides delivery and commercial vehicle should be discouraged from entering the city, by removing in-city parking and setup no-go zones for private vehicles.
Even in the U.S. most people in suburb live rather close to a town center (less than 15 mins with PEV or bike). Thus efficient transit from town center to city can be a good idea. People will be discouraged from driving to city due to the lack of road and parking within cities.
For long form travel, people should move via high speed rail. Then take local travel options once arrived. High speed rail provide a faster and more comfortable travel alternative to driving.
Finally, I believe for people living in rural areas (an hour to any town center on PEV), cars and electric cars are their only option. If they want to enter city or suburb, they can drive to the nearest town center and take transit.
- Abe Froman ( @pikesley@mastodon.me.uk ) 4•9 months ago
@lightnsfw @KnowledgeableNip what exactly is your “hobby” that you need to be so far away from other people to do it?
- lightnsfw ( @lightnsfw@reddthat.com ) 3•9 months ago
Building/refurbishing furniture, working on cars, basically anything that is loud and requires power tools and space to lay out, assemble, or store materials, also gardening.
- chobeat ( @chobeat@lemmy.ml ) 12•9 months ago
this is all stuff that in Italy goes on inside the city. There are fab-labs, maker-spaces, communal gardens and other communal organizations that enable you to do this without living in bumblefuck nowhere or renting a giant ass house.
- Damage ( @Damage@slrpnk.net ) 3•9 months ago
There are garages underneath the apartment lot where you can do reasonably noisy work from 7:00 to 23:00, no need to go to a maker space or anything like that
- lightnsfw ( @lightnsfw@reddthat.com ) 1•9 months ago
Have you ever worked in a shared space? I have, and shit was constantly being lost, broken, or stolen. More people just means more chances some asshole will ruin things for everyone.
- chobeat ( @chobeat@lemmy.ml ) 7•9 months ago
omg you’re so American. These places have clear rules, systems to guarantee accountability, with software tracking every person using a room or a tool at any given time. They are managed by people that work there full-time and guarantee everything is in order.
- Gabu ( @Gabu@lemmy.ml ) 4•9 months ago
All of those things can be done in a densely populated city. I do it and live near the city center in São Paulo, the world’s 4th most populous megapolis. In short, your arguments are bullshit.
- lightnsfw ( @lightnsfw@reddthat.com ) 1•9 months ago
Can I ask how? I really don’t see how a person on a average income could afford enough space to do that living in a city.
- Gabu ( @Gabu@lemmy.ml ) 1•9 months ago
In 'murica it may be impossible (thank car-centered infrastructure and your insane zoning laws!), but here you can just rent a house instead of an apartment… an OK place (2+ bedrooms/ 150+ m²/ space for tinkering) at an OK location (safe enough, relatively close to the city center) is ~600 to ~800 USD, which is certainly more expensive than the local average, but not eye-wateringly so.
- Damage ( @Damage@slrpnk.net ) 5•9 months ago
- moitoi ( @moitoi@feddit.de ) 3•9 months ago
Interestingly, with this type of town, it’s easier and quicker to go out of the town than in American car centric towns.
Public transports are more efficient. You don’t need cars. You have parcs and actual green space. The energy consumption is also reduced.
It’s no magic that they built these type of towns in the past. They couldn’t afford our type of energy consumption and land use. And, it was more practical for the daily life.
- AItoothbrush ( @AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip ) English1•9 months ago
You know houses exist right? Tho maybe not a lot of americans sleep in cars…
- lightnsfw ( @lightnsfw@reddthat.com ) 1•9 months ago
If there’s 30k people in that small of an area most of them aren’t going to be able to afford houses.
- AItoothbrush ( @AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip ) English1•9 months ago
Haha you know thats the funny thing. They dont have houses but should have said housing as they do have shared houses and apartments.