- cross-posted to:
- anticorporate@lemmy.giftedmc.com
You heard #Adobe. Deep down you knew this was coming. Now all your art are belong to them. Time to move on to better things…
Kreative Suite
* Krita is your new design/painting app
* Kdenlive will give you video-editing powers
* glaxnimate adds 2D vector animations to you videos
* digiKam organises your collection images
https://kde.org/for/creators/
Also:
* Inkscape - create sophisticated vector-graphic designs
* Scribus - layout like a pro
* GIMP - need we say more
* Blender - ditto
- Tramort ( @Tramort@programming.dev ) 74•4 months ago
If you are a creative freelancer and have any confidentiality agreement with your clients, then it is now impossible to use Adobe without violating those agreements.
And there is massive liability if you mess it up.
- macniel ( @DmMacniel@feddit.de ) 20•4 months ago
God damn Adobe… we know you are bad but not THAT bad.
- IninewCrow ( @ininewcrow@lemmy.ca ) English17•4 months ago
Thank God … I’ve been on Gimp and Scribus for the past 15 years, mainly because I could never afford Adobe products for the little bit of work I needed them for.
I was open source a long time ago because I just couldn’t afford paying for stuff for the little time I needed software. Now I’m happy to be fully open source and even contribute with donations to the projects I like the most. I donate annually now to projects like Wikipedia, Libreoffice, Scribus and Fediverse developers and projects.
This is one criticism I’ll always have with open source supporters … if you want open source alternatives, contribute with donations to them. Give anything you can afford … $1, $2, $10 … because they need money to survive and stay engaged and committed to their project.
If we all just stand aside and take advantage of free open software and not give anything, then we are no better than the corporations we were trying to avoid. Instead of corporations taking advantage of us, we are taking advantage of developers.
So if you want these open projects to live and survive, contribute to them with whatever you got. If we all just gave a dollar each to these projects, no matter what they are, the developers would have more than enough to maintain their work.
And whatever you contribute, it will be far less than the hundreds of dollars annually you would have given to a big corporation that would have just counted your money as profit and not directly contribute or support the actual developers.
We would like to remind you that both @Krita and @kdenlive are currently running fundraisers:
#Krita :
- Felix 🐊 ( @crocodisle@woof.tech ) 13•4 months ago
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
I support people trying new things! I hate Adobe!However, all of the tools here, save for Blender and maybe Kdenlive, are lacking somewhat in either features or UX. Inkscape is not comparable to Illustrator in my recent experience, and even Krita, while decent, has some weird decisions that don’t make much sense from a workflow perspective.
I commonly hear criticism met with either “Add the feature yourself, it’s open source” (I am a visual artist with experience using digital art tools, not a C++ programmer) or "It’s not supposed to replace " (then your software might as well not bother competing if it’s not going to work much better than the other options). I have a necessity to switch, but I can’t use these tools yet if they don’t behave how I need them to, often how swaths of other competing software behaves. I’m willing to curb my expectations, I don’t expect things to be *perfect*, but the amount of configuration I need to do to get similar workflows like comparable software is rough. I think once that gets addressed, more people will be interested in switching.
I’m so convinced it isn’t even a feature issue, more of a look and feel with sane defaults sort of issue.
- Bro666 ( @Bro666@lemmy.kde.social ) 5•4 months ago
Don’t take this the wrong way. While I appreciate the tact with which you have expressed your criticisms, but you may find that your objections all boil down to “I am used to a certain set of tools and now I have to change. The new tools do things differently and I am confused and it is messing with my productivity”, that is, the problem is not entirely with the new software, but with you, your workflow and your muscle memory.
- cronosisma ( @cronosisma@feddit.it ) 4•4 months ago
hi! this is a way of reacting to criticism that I feel very often, but this is misleading to me because it does not consider the most important structural factor, that is the environment in which it “grows”, also digitally. you are inhabited since young people to use the pc in a certain way, to use programs in a certain way. for me the FOSS software is a political issue, if it is important that people approach you should mediate through interfaces and beautiful workflows to see (and imo current ones are not beautiful) and easy to adopt for those coming from the most mainstream programs.
if it is believed that the software foss is official remains in the niche in which it is locate (so that people outside the FOSS or should not approach or can do it hard to get used to a new way of using IT means, thus invisible the structural action of society and responsibilities and culpritizing the individual people without doing a collective and broad analysis, typical discussion brought by non-politicized or liberal people) while the rest of society is devoured by multinationals I understand it but I do not agree: I consider it part of a political struggle also anti-capitalist
- Felix 🐊 ( @crocodisle@woof.tech ) 3•4 months ago
@Bro666 i appreciate your reply! I’ll link you to my response to a different post here outlining a bit more of my experience. tl;dr, I’ve used multiple programs in personal and academic settings. Some FOSS options are great and comparable! Some miss the mark, even if they get close. It’s not for lack of trying, it’s that out of the multiple programs I’ve learned over the years, the FOSS options tend to be the odd ones out.
https://woof.tech/@crocodisle/112579981685976482
Even blender is guity of this with its default control scheme being the odd one out among Maya, Unity, and Substance, but it can be modified enough to make up for this and has other attractive aspects to make it a worthy contender. Digital tools tend to be used in an ecosystem that they are integrated with. Learning new workflows if fine, but there’s value in being able to do what’s already being done well in a similar way without much fuss.
- Bro666 ( @Bro666@lemmy.kde.social ) 3•4 months ago
Even if you lack knowledge regarding development, advice from professional designers and artists is always appreciated. I think it would be helpful if you picked a project with receptive developers and offered them your insight.
- Felix 🐊 ( @crocodisle@woof.tech ) 2•4 months ago
@Bro666 thanks for the encouragement! I joined a forum when researching some Krita features, but only because I felt the need to stand up for someone who suggested a good feature and ended up getting told it was a stupid idea, even though other painting programs had already implemented something similar… FOSS is tough, and all respect to the developers and communities that make it happen. I trust many of these things are already being worked on/implemented, or the groups have bigger fish to fry.
- Bro666 ( @Bro666@lemmy.kde.social ) 2•4 months ago
There are abrasive people everywhere and everyone has an opinion. In a community without a top-down hierarchical structure, every Tom, Dick and Henrietta thinks they know what’s best for the project and will tell you so. Don’t take it personally, remember everybody wants what is best, and, if you believe in your proposal, persevere. There is someone who agrees with you.
- minecraftchest1 ( @minecraftchest1@social.opendesktop.org ) 1•4 months ago
@crocodisle
Would the option to select default control scheme work?
@Bro666- Felix 🐊 ( @crocodisle@woof.tech ) 1•4 months ago
@minecraftchest1 @Bro666 options for default control schemes are a good start! Blender’s welcome popup thingy asks on first run whether or not the user wants blender or “industry standard” controls which is definitely useful. I know Krita has the option to use keybinds from other popular programs, but my pain points with it have less to do with keybinds and more to do with other small behaviors that add up to making it frustrating to use. I outlined some of them here if you’re curious:
https://woof.tech/@crocodisle/112580205821945499
I’ve had a few suggestions at this point to submit bug reports so I’ll consider it.
- luciferofastora ( @luciferofastora@lemmy.zip ) 2•4 months ago
The issue comes when trying to convince many people used to the old tools to adopt the new one. Having to un- and relearn your skills is a massive UX hurdle. That’s not an issue of the users, but of the application not catering to that use case (encouraging people to switch and easing them into the new environment). Every difficulty, every extra step you have to take, every workflow habit you have to adapt is a detriment.
The tools can be great in a vacuum, but when we’re talking about people switching, they’re no longer in a vacuum.
- Bro666 ( @Bro666@lemmy.kde.social ) 2•4 months ago
I agree. That said, users coming from proprietary tools may be gracious enough to meet the volunteers building free software at least half way.
- bufalo1973 ( @bufalo1973@lemmy.ml ) 2•4 months ago
Have you sent any tickets to tell them to fix what you think needs fixing? Just like you are a visual artist and not a programmer, they are programmers and not visual artist (at least not all of them) so any feedback is welcomed.
- Felix 🐊 ( @crocodisle@woof.tech ) 1•4 months ago
@bufalo1973 I’ve gotten some mixed feedback by the community in the past that was discouraging enough to dissuade getting involved, but I’m reconsidering it now. Thanks for the input!
- Kilgore Trout ( @kilgore_trout@feddit.it ) English1•4 months ago
What do you miss in Krita?
- guyinahat ( @werefreeatlast@mastodon.social ) 6•4 months ago
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social you can also use #FreeCAD to draw up your house or anything else parametrically, and then export as STL and use #blender to make a movie of it/with it.
- Bro666 ( @Bro666@lemmy.kde.social ) 3•4 months ago
FreeCAD has become soooo good!
- Delta Wye ( @DeltaWye@mstdn.social ) 3•4 months ago
@Bro666 @werefreeatlast It’s critically important to manage users expectations with #FOSS - FC is still uniquely set up and challenging to use.
It’s amazing what it can do, but development-wise it feels like #Blender long before it really hit its stride (as well as getting quality tutorials like Blender Guru) several years ago.
- Bro666 ( @Bro666@lemmy.kde.social ) 1•4 months ago
I agree! Nevertheless I am still astounded at the progress FreeCAD has made in the last… What? Four ~ five years? It has gone from “barely usable” and “lacking in even basic features” to “woah! You can make that with FreeCAD?”. Also, the community and third party support and contributions have also exploded. This is vital for the survival of a project like this.
- Sara Angeloni ( @Satiah@mastodon.social ) 2•4 months ago
- Bro666 ( @Bro666@lemmy.kde.social ) 1•4 months ago
Be advised that FreeCAD, much like Blender, is in no way easy to use! It is software for doing engineering and architecture stuff. These thing are not simple. FreeCAD’s learning curve is steep.
The good news is that there are more and more tutorials online (and many are follow-along videos) that can help get you started.
- Sara Angeloni ( @Satiah@mastodon.social ) 2•4 months ago
@Bro666 I did some AutoCad at university. Brilliant software if you know how to make stuff happen. Would you say that FreeCad is more difficult? I’m fully aware that this is engineering software. I would hope to be able to afford a 3D Printer one day.
- Bro666 ( @Bro666@lemmy.kde.social ) 1•4 months ago
Very hard to say for me. I did use AutoCAD, but it was years ago. I’m talking more than two decades (AutoCAD was first released in the early 80s), so impossible to judge the current state of the software now.
I can say FreeCAD is good for 3D printing stuff. I also like OpenSCAD, a 3D scripting language.
I wrote a 4 part tutorial series that takes you from designing to printing and covered both FreeCAD and OpenSCAD from a beginner’s perspective, if you are interested:
- Iαη ( @ianp5a@mastodon.cloud ) 1•4 months ago
@Bro666 @DeltaWye
FreeCAD can cope with low end, sketch-and-pad work. New users seem quite happy. It really needs a usability upgrade to help on-boarding though. More visual interaction feedback would help a lot. A verb-noun UI too. Start a command, which then guides what selections are needed.For high end and surfacing work it’s a non starter.
We need more people with programming, CAD and usability skills. A rare combination, it seems.
- ⛈️ Information ⛈️ ( @Elucidating@mastodon.social ) 1•4 months ago
@Bro666 @werefreeatlast Has it? I was using it not even 1 year ago and I concluded I’d rather use Blender.
The face naming problem aside, I left feeling very frustrated about a lot of things. Like how hard it was to reuse sketches on parts that would mesh because you’d end up with the dependency loop checker refusing to solve for constraints across parts that shared a sketch.
- Bro666 ( @Bro666@lemmy.kde.social ) 1•4 months ago
It is not perfect, of course! It also does not have the resources of Blender. Then again, both pieces of software are quite different and have different uses.
- ⛈️ Information ⛈️ ( @Elucidating@mastodon.social ) 1•4 months ago
@Bro666 I don’t mean to dunk on any CAD software. I just felt like it’s a bit early to start sending folks over there
I do think it’s very healthy that ondsel exists now and is helping to inflate the project.
- minecraftchest1 ( @minecraftchest1@social.opendesktop.org ) 1•4 months ago
@werefreeatlast
Depending on what your needs are, #OpenSCAD works well and is easy to get started with.
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social - ⛈️ Information ⛈️ ( @Elucidating@mastodon.social ) 1•4 months ago
@werefreeatlast @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social Worth noting Blender has improved dramatically for precision work, including a full blown CAD skarcher plugin that uses SolveSpace under the hood.
- Hunterrules ( @Hunterrules0_o@techhub.social ) 5•4 months ago
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social kdenlive is based and changed me. thank you kde for making it so based.
- Nafeon :verified_solarpunk: ( @NafiTheBear@bears.town ) 4•4 months ago
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social happy to see glaxnimate officially promoted by KDE.
- Nachorella ( @Nachorella@lemmy.sdf.org ) 4•4 months ago
I hate adobe and have been actively trying to switch away from them for a while. I work in game development, though, and for some reason no one has made it as easy to directly modify the alpha channel of a texture. It’s something I have to do a lot and is probably the one thing keeping me from using krita or affinity photo.
- minecraftchest1 ( @minecraftchest1@social.opendesktop.org ) 1•4 months ago
@Nachorella
Gimp can do that if I recall correctly.
@kde- Nachorella ( @Nachorella@lemmy.sdf.org ) 1•4 months ago
I’ll try it again, looks like it’s come some way since I last checked.
- Rainne ( @Rainne@mastodon.social ) 0•4 months ago
@Nachorella @minecraftchest1 I do that a lot in GIMP: right-click a layer, “add layer mask”, and it makes a secondary grayscale layer that works like a second alpha channel, that you can directly draw on, apply filters to, etc. A lot of my stuff has solid-color layers with all the work done in those layer masks.
- Nachorella ( @Nachorella@lemmy.sdf.org ) 1•4 months ago
I might be misunderstanding but that sounds different to a specific alpha channel. Sometimes in game art you’ll store extra information in the alpha channel of a texture. Or even pack four different grayscale images into the rgba channels of a single texture. Is it easy to do stuff like that?
- Rainne ( @Rainne@mastodon.social ) 1•4 months ago
@Nachorella You can right-click a layer and Apply Layer Mask to bake it into the main layer’s alpha channel (or Merge Visible Layers to combine all layers and their masks).
I think you *can* work with individual R/G/B channels in GIMP, or at least add a Channels tab where they’re visible separately and you can add arbitrary channels; but I don’t have experience drawing on the channels independently like that. But my gut says it may be doable.
- Shell :fedora: :kde: ( @shellheim@social.linux.pizza ) 4•4 months ago
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social This post reads funnier with the implication that it’s a threat from KDE.
- WylieCoyoteUK ( @wyliecoyoteuk@mastodon.org.uk ) 4•4 months ago
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
Just a matter of time before Microsoft do something similar with #recall - GravitySpoiled ( @GravitySpoiled@lemmy.ml ) English3•4 months ago
A link to what happened would be useful
- Maxy ( @Maxy@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 3•4 months ago
YouTube would be smart enough not to advertise Adobe creative cloud in the pre-roll ads of this video, right? Right???
- LPS ( @lps@masto.1146.nohost.me ) 2•4 months ago
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social well it appears as though #youtube has now become a “gated community” the #YT frontends are not working. It prompts a login to prove you’re not a bot:(
- draeath ( @draeath@social.sdf.org ) 3•4 months ago
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social Don’t forget Darktable to fill-in for Lightroom!
- Ray Of Sunlight ( @Ray_Of_Sunlight@mastodon.social ) 2•4 months ago
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social Bro, even YOU guys are suggesting GIMP, meanwhile most people try to use Krita as an image editor cuz of the UI and other issues i can’t fully understand.
Is like using a Lawnmower to cut wood.
Edit: I need to clarify that i’m saying that people are using the WRONG TOOL for the job, i’m not saying either of these programs suck.
- Truck_kun ( @Truck_kun@beehaw.org ) English1•4 months ago
Krita is great for drawing. It is made for it.
People really try to use Krita for photo editing?
- Ray Of Sunlight ( @Ray_Of_Sunlight@mastodon.social ) 1•4 months ago
@Truck_kun More like Image Manipulation because GIMP’s default UI is not like Photoshop’s, even though you can customize it to be like it, But Krita comes with such UI by default, people are just too quick to assume and that ticks me off.
Both Krita’s official Twitter said that Krita is meant for Digital Painting, and Davies Media Design shown that Krita doesn’t work for Image Manipulation.
You gotta use the right tool for the job, both have their ups and downs.