Oh man, I have another idea: end capitalism. We already produce all we need, just got to dump the powerful few that put their power and profit over people’s lives.

With climate change, there’s a good chance we will no longer be able to meet humanity’s needs. Besides, better yields means that we could be converting land back to nature, much like with reduced meat consumption.

Climate change, another consequence of capitalism that capitalism is standing in the way of solving.

Communism is perfectly capable of ruining the environment. See: the Soviet Union sucking the Aral Sea dry.

True! But only capitalism is destroying humanity’s ability to survive on this planet. And profiting off the destruction. And incentivizing it to continue, to the detriment of everyone I know and love.

I thought ruzzia was beating the bejisus out of Ukraine and was threatening to go nuklier when Ukraine got a little help from it’s friends. I thought ruzzia was a dictatorship.

Modern day Russia is indeed every bit a disgusting capitalist mess.

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The fact that many Americans think that modern Russia is communist is a real testament to the effectiveness of US propaganda.

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This isn’t the gotcha you seem to think it is. Mistakes and disasters will happen under any system because it’s impossible to definitively predict what will happen when dealing with complex systems.

The difference however is that capitalism necessitates growth by its very nature, and encourages businesses to externalize their costs such as environmental destruction in order to maximize profits. Capitalism is fundamentally built on the idea of endless consumption, and has created lots of innovations like planned obsolescence to keep producing things as quickly as possible.

On the other hand, communism doesn’t hinge on growth and constantly producing things in order for the economy to function. In fact, work is actually seen as a cost to the state. There is an incentive to produce goods that last and can be repaired.

Systemic pressures are very different between the two systems.

Just because a country is communist doesn’t mean they will automatically be better for the environment. However a communist country is better equipped and more willing to take actions to solve these real problems.

Mostly it will be bad because it will want the best for it’s people…or dicktator rather than for the environment. In capitalism land, if you want to help the environment, you can. Also if you want to take people’s money (hard worked hours of people’s lives), then you must look out for the environment too. Obviously capitalism is a shitty people’s thinking economy, but it’s better than having the same asshole abuse you for your entire life and then some. Here’s a list of people who need to be dropped into a 200ton rock pulverizer machine for the whole weekend: putin, dictators, drug lords, bankers, billionaires, kings, princesses, princes, queens, duchesses and dukes, aristocrats, guys from Montana, all religious figures, and whoever else doesn’t work or take care of kids or did that a while a ago before their 60s. That’s going to be some lazy ass mole right there.

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Right, a political system alone can’t guarantee that things will be better. What the system does is create selection pressures that drive behavior.

On the other hand, communism doesn’t hinge on growth and constantly producing things in order for the economy to function.

Theoretically, sure. Realistically, see China.

Meanwhile US/EU overwhelmingly responsible for emissions despite outsourcing a bunch of their production to countries like China.

Top 10 Countries with the Highest CO₂ Emissions in the World (Unit: million tons CO₂) - 2020 EDGAR:*

China - 11,680.42
United States - 4,535.30
India - 2,411.73
Russia - 1,674.23
Japan - 1,061.77
Iran - 690.24
Germany - 636.88
South Korea - 621.47
Saudi Arabia - 588.81
Indonesia - 568.27
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That’s the only sane solution going forward.

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