President Donald Trump mocked transgender people in front of Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney, whose child identifies as nonbinary, during an Oval Office meeting in Washington, D.C., on Tuesday that was intended to focus on trade relations but instead became a showcase of Trump’s familiar culture war politics.
The meeting, held in the presence of reporters, aimed to emphasize renewed cooperation between the two countries, which remain deeply economically intertwined. But as The Independent reported, it “devolved into a political rally disguised as a routine press availability.” Trump repeatedly veered off topic to attack Democrats, the media, and transgender people, boasting that under his leadership, “We have strong borders. We have no men in women’s sports. We’re not going to take your child away and change the sex of your child.”
“We’re not going to take away your child and change the sex of your child… unless your child’s sex and gender don’t align with what we think they should be, in which case CPS will forcibly remove the child from that twisted family and enrol them in conversion therapy.”
I’m just surprised that people think Carney, our prime minister, should antagonize Trump, who is currently master and chief of one of the largest, if not the largest military force in the world, over his stance on trans people. And to do it when he’s there for trade talks.
I’m just surprised that people think that Carney sitting there and refusing to engage in Trump’s bullshit, when the purpose of his visit is to negotiate trade on behalf of our entire country.
I’m not sure why anyone thinks Carney’s priority should be arguing with Trump over trans people, when we currently have a trade war going on, that can easily devolve into an actual war…
You’re 100% right and I agree with you wholeheartedly but there is a part of me that wishes out of moral principles someone public chastised him on this bullshit. He needs a dressing down on national television regardless of the consequences.
Oh, I agree, but unfortunately I think I know how that will go.
He’ll continue to spout his bullshit and shit talk whomever gave him the dressing down, whenever he is put in front of a camera for at least a few weeks afterwards, probably calling whatever country they’re from a shithole, his supporters will buy it up and nothing will change.
If that was done by Carney, it would just politically burn any credibility in trade negotiations, and put Canada under the gun for further punitive tariffs.
I really really want to see someone call him out too, but I also understand why Carney wouldn’t.
He has to be as focused on the topic at hand and stay away from any side tracked conversation, as much as he can; he’s representing so many Canadian interests and companies that he can’t take the risk. I wouldn’t want him to take on that risk.
I can shit talk America’s tariffs all day long, and call Taco any manner of names, but at the end of the day, the (almost entirely) free trade that Canada and the USA had before now was always beneficial for both countries, and getting back to that point would be beneficial for everyone.
We sell a lot of material to US companies, and so they make up a nontrivial amount of the GDP. We’re working really hard right now to change that, but it’s still the reality of the situation.
Personally, I’m rooting for international trade with allies that are not the USA. That’s what I want to see. As much as I feel bad for our American neighbors who don’t support drumph, it’s up to them to rally together and fix this crap. I support them in their efforts, but more diversified international trade is only going to benefit Canada.
I’m not sure why he’s wasting time on that orange turd. He should be getting the rebuild of our lost industries going and telling the americans to GTFO and eat dirt at this point. Stengthen ties with EU and Mexico now.
I’m aware that the feds have been working on more international trade with our allies in Asia/Europe/anywhere that isn’t the USA…
I was commenting the other day to my SO that most products don’t even need to be “made in Canada” for me to want to buy them, they just need to say “not a product of the USA” and I’ll consider it a viable option to buy.
Anything made in the USA, I try to avoid or find non-US made alternatives.
ill prefer made in canada, and be fine with ‘not american’
That’s pretty much me too.
The hardest thing for me is to get rid of Yankee shit is digital services eg Microsoft (use it for work) & google. My next phone will be a nothing or a fair phone.
I agree that Microsoft and Google are difficult to get rid of.
I haven’t yet decided what I’m going to do in this regard. Good luck friend.
There’s alternatives, protonmail, NorthMail, lots of non-google search engines, I need to find an alternative to google drive.
I’m very aware of the email alternatives.
My problem isn’t with email, it’s literally every other service that I log into using my Google/Microsoft accounts.
Drive is one of those…
I wish we could do that. The biggest problem with doing so is oil. There is no continuous pipeline from Alberta to eastern Canada that doesn’t move through the States. If the worst happened, the biggest Canadian economies, Ontario and Quebec, would be devastated.
Before that oil was moved through pipelines it was moved by train, I’m sure that could be arranged to bridge some of the demand. Not perfect by any means, but it would help until we could solve the pipeline problem. At this point we need to plan for a “when” scenario.
You’re “surprised that people think that Carney sitting there and refusing to engage in Trump’s bullshit”?
Okay.
It’s a tough spot having to endure the demented child rapist elected (twice) by our southern neighbours, probably best to just smile and nod and sucker punch that fucking moronic nazi when he’s not looking
When he’s not looking
Why? It’s not like he has the reflexes to dodge. Let him see it coming.
If Carney just punched him in the face I would vote for him again based on that alone.
It’s what he’d have to do to ever get my vote again.
You prefer Trump lite? (The conservative party of Canada)
Never said such a thing. I can dislike our Liberal PM without being a con idiot. This is not a what about moment but lots of my fellow countrymen choose to make it so. Very murica of you all. Guess we’ll get fascism too while you all judge.
You’re so angry.
… And I’m not sure I follow your point.
People are making it a what?
How did you take the leap from Carney not standing up to Trump about trans people to straight up fascism?
I’m more confused than anything.
You know, if we stopped pretending there were only 2 parties in Canada we could actually get away from the lib/con bullshit and have a healthy multi party parliament.
You won’t find an argument here
Carney has already proven that he is incapable of actually standing up to Trump, so this doesn’t surprise me. If he isn’t willing to stick up for his own kid, how can we expect him to stick up for the rest of us?
I’m certain the basic ability to do so isn’t the problem. More like, they have us at a disadvantage and he thinks tolerating Trump is the smartest play. Time will tell if that works out at all.
I heard a nice line on CBC Power & Politics today - that what we’re feeling right now is the powerlessness Latin American countries have been feling for a long time while being in the US’es crosshair.
Alliance time :>
we’re gonna need to get rid of the open-air mines before doing any alliance
canada always firmly stood with the american imperialists for our own gain, i doubt south america would trust us just now that the US is starting to show us it’s back
South America isn’t a continent of primitivist environmentalists, either.
Typical neolib capitulation- ahem I mean tolerance. That’s worked great for the Americans, I’m sure it’ll work for the Canadians /s
As much as Canadians would like to say fuck off to all things American, cutting ties like that would cripple us economically and potentially result in the destruction of our country. Tanking our economy to spite the States would not only destroy lives, but it would give Danielle Smith more fodder for AB separation, which in turn would result in a broken Canada, and eventually no Canada at all.
At the very least, Carney still needs to “play nice” for the moment, and I’m really hoping once things are in place with other markets he publically tells Trump to pound sand. I’m saving my judgement for the end of his first year. He’s arguably got the hardest road of any PM in decades. That said, I really wish he’d put his elbows back up.
Antagonizing the US has worked great for Cuba after all.
Cuba actually had another friend willing to protect them for decades, even. We don’t have a partner that would definitely always choose us over them.
Did America have some sort of 10x larger neighbor I’m not aware of?
They tolerated the bullshit trump did. At least that’s how I read it.
Yeah, but that has nothing to do with my initial comment.
I basically said he’s letting the foreign moron talk until he goes away. Unfortunately, I used the word “tolerate”, and that triggered people’s pre-programmed scripts about authorities allowing the domestic spread of genocide denial or whatever.
I disagree with this assessment.
I think that Carney was there for trade talks and refused to be side tracked from that and engage in discussions that were unrelated to the goal of improving trade relations between the USA and Canada.
He just sat there, and let Donny boy run his fat mouth, and when they got back on topic he suddenly had something to say.
Honestly, when I’m trying to have a productive conversation about something with someone and they veer off into insanity mid conversation, I usually just let them talk themselves out, then redirect them to the topic when they seem like they’re done, so we can have productive discussions on the matter at hand.
Bluntly, there’s no point arguing with the senile about their insane positions on anything, even if you get them to agree or change their viewpoint, in 15 minutes they’ll forget and go back to their original bullshit.
How is that a disagreement?
You made an assertion about his motivations, and I think his motivations are different.
Did that not come across?
You said he was just letting him be crazy in peace because arguing is pointless, I said he’s tolerating him. I think we both agree it’s for the sake of trying to achieve an acceptable deal for Canada, right?
I’m disappointed in Carney but admittedly don’t have enough info to fully justify feeling that yet. There’s a lot of nuance at that level and it does seem like Carney is shifting our interests to other markets.
My hope is he’s stringing the US along while he makes changes, basically like setting up a place to live and work before ending an abusive relationship. I understand that cutting ties completely would cripple our economy so that’s not an option, just gonna wait for the end of his first year before I really make my opinion.
I was shown this link in another post that clearly shows the trade changes Carney has been working on. It’s well put together: https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/features/2025/canada-international-trade/
Hey, that’s really neat!
I wish it included a combined whole world graph, though. 6% or whatever drop in US trade sounds small, but that’s such a huge market for us, while even a sliver more trade with, I dunno, Cameroon will amount to a big jump. I don’t know whether it’s going up or down overall.
Tolerating Nazis has historically never worked.
Domestically? Yes.
Internationally, we’re not Britain letting the Nazis build up, we’re fucking Czechoslovakia just praying they don’t decide to take the Sudetenland. The EU is probably Britain in this analogy, and the Soviets are, like, China.
Right we should piss him off so he can fuck over the rest of our economy before we can transition our supply chains elsewhere. Brilliant.
Or just straight up invade to “save us” from our evil communist government.
I’m convinced they are planning some sort of annexation/invasion anyway. They’ll just find a reason at some point. It can be anything. We have water and plenty of natural resources that would be good for American billionaires to own.
Just look at what Trump requires of Ukraine in order to help them. They’re gonna make some bullshit up, like our resources are critical to their national security, or something like that. It’s good to delay this as much as possible and not antagonize them - maybe they’ll be busy invading Venezuela or Mexico first - but it’s probably going to happen regardless.
It’s not impossible, but I don’t think this government plans all that much in general. And, they’d need to massage the public discourse for a bit first.
So the PM should let his personal life dictate state actions?
I think it should definitely impact what he’s willing to tolerate. Or do you think he should betray his own convictions, just to appease a political bully? So much for “elbows up”, then? Now, it’s just, “Whatever you say, Mr. Trump”?
The trump answer is complex and will invariably end in bloodshed no matter the choices. Whether sooner or later is the question.
Appeasement is never the solution.
Delaying while preparing could be a strategy.
Unfortunately, I agree with you. If history is any indicator, this is not going to end well…for any of us. We need to prepare that inevitability.
(Everythimg said is meant to be taken in a general.context and not specific to you - except the part about creeping your profile. I speak like that sometimes, and I don’t mean to say anything about you specifically)
I may not agree with everything you say or think, (I don’t know, I haven’t creeped your profile), but the ability for us to disagree (as long as it doesn’t harm anyone - except those who seek to destroy us) is the basis for civil society, and as of now, whatever differences you and I may or may not have regarding our current life choice or lifestyles is immaterial in the face of a literal apocalyptic threat coming from south of our border.
We all need to suck it up and put our truly petty differences aside in order to essentially save our nation, and our humanity, and humanity as a whole, for that matter.
I’m all about do whatever the fuck you want to do. As long as you don’t hurt myself or others,cool. I don’t give one fuck.
What I do care about is stopping a psychopath and his neonazi evangelizers destroy any hope for any future that isn’t pure hell.
Can we do that?
Can we just relax our tribalism that people like trump has allowed the powers to foment this artificial hatred so many of us have let take hold of us?
Can we work as one for the common good?
I fucking hope so.
Or we all die in our smug righteousness.
Nazis’ whole deal is crushing those who can’t or won’t crush back. Calls to not oppose them are fundamentally calls to enable their conquest and terror
I have been calling for much more than merely opposing - for a very long time.
What I am asking for is for us to set aside our personal differences to do the crushing as one.
When that’s done, we can debate our petty grievances and parliamentary theatrics once again.
I live near Niagara falls, I’m in the nuclear splash zone if it gets nuked, and if a war breaks out, the power plants will definitely become targets.
Good luck everyone. I probably won’t be alive to see the outcomes if war breaks out.
Better sooner than later. Trump is a traitor to humanity. Hang him.
Agreed.
I think you’ll be hard pressed to find disagreement on this around here…
Though, I have been wrong before.
If you are the head of a state you don’t get the luxury of personal convictions. You should always be acting in the interest of the state.
Realpolitik says the best interests of Canada are to try to get Trump to walk back steel and aluminium tariffs buying time while to diversify exports and institute “Buy Canadian”
And, again…is it “in the interest of the state” to capitulate to economic extortion? We’re just giving him what he wants, and getting nothing in return? And our leader is sitting there while he insults us all…including his own kid. What the actual fuck does that say about us? It says we’re weak, and Trump can say and do whatever the hell he wants, without consequences.
And for the record, Trump is not going to “walk back” those tariffs. He’s not only using them to fund his domestic agenda, but also to pursue his foreign policy agenda. They are his leverage over us.
Why would anyone assume he’s going to just let that leverage go, especially when it’s working? That’s just ridiculous.
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On paper. We don’t need his assent for anything. And if we did we have the Gov. Gen.
What do you want him to do? Insult him and call him a bully so that you feel better? We live in the real world, where actions have real consequences.
The US is still our largest partner, and every action we take has real repercussions, such as job loss. In my opinion, he’s doing a good job handling him because Trump is unpredictable.
A savvy leader doesn’t need to insult anyone, in order to make their position clear.
What do you want him to do? Insult him and call him a bully so that you feel better?
As an American, YES. Trump is going to fuck you no matter what, so stand up for yourself.
Take your own advice and do something about your president. He’s your mess after all, we didn’t vote for the orange fuck.
The people criticizing Carney for not arguing with Trump have obviously never had the experience of arguing with a dementia ridden relative.
If only Carney was a good politican who had helped Canada in literally any way since taking office. At least he sorta looks good in comparison to a dementia riddled fascist, I guess. Fascists will see this as Canada bowing to the king.
I hate that he’s better than the alternative
I hate seeing us becoming more of a two party system
we need voting reform
We’re not - the NDP will be back. They are in talks to get $ from the liberals so they support the budget, NDP with Avi Lewis or the union guy will rise again.
I did not know that about him.
Normally, when somebody becomes more idiot, he gets less attention. That’s how we do it in Europe. Waiting for the Americans to come alongside
wouldn’t it be the icing on the cake if the orange steaming pile of shit was trans? You know what they say about the most homophobic/transphobic people…
He does like his makeup, corsets and heel lifts.
He would have become an iconic drag queen if he made a couple different choices in the 1980s… so sad.
“They” say that because cishet people don’t like to admit culpability.
I feel like we need a clown emoji that looks like It.
Hey, maybe this will cause him to recognize that the US is no longer safe for LGBTQ people. Which could then help open up a pathway for queer people, especially trans and non binary people, to escape before they start rounding us up.
Wishful thinking, I know, but this bitch needs to try and remain hopeful somehow.
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The way carney was staring intently at Trump with lovers eyes while he blathered on… very embarrassing
I’m not liking his performance to date, but this sounds like astroturfing.
How? I found it cringe. He doesn’t even have to interject but he could at least not do this act of listening intently to him while he speaks nonsense as if he were giving a high level lecture. It feels like performative kowtowing in hopes that Trump will reward him for it… which he will not.
Huh, I think you’ve fell victim of confirmation bias in this case.
Which is truly the ceinge position to be in.
It’s about not having the mindset of someone lives in the 51st State and instead lives in a sovereign, equal nation to the US. A lot of people in this thread seem to think that Mark Carney should bow down to Trump and nod along to everything he says, no matter how bigoted or indefensible, which is the implicit mindset of someone who sees their country as weaker, inferior one to the US.
It seems like you have some issues reading the situation.
