wtf is going on in nigeria :D
Christianity
Reliable recent statistics do not exist; however, Nigeria is divided roughly in half between 50–55% Muslims, who live mostly in the northern regions, and 35–45% Christians, who live mostly in the southern regions
I’d like to see more subsaharan Africa on the list. It’s a noted shift across the region, while you can see Muslim Turkey moderating.
Fucking pedo cults, man.
My guess is the billions that the US has spent to export evangelical bigotry in Africa.
Not to disagree, but a lot of other places spent billions on exporting bigotry to Africa. Unfair to give the US all the credit.
You are right that the US doesn’t have a monopoly on this, but they are almost certainly the front runner. There are plenty of European conservatives that donate to these “causes” and we can’t forget the Catholic church that has recently compared “gender ideology” to nuclear war. Russia has also been pushing conservative and anti LGBT views, though I’m not sure how much they are involved in Africa. I’m sure there are plenty of others that I’m leaving out.
In recent history it’s mostly the US. It’s a big country, and a rich country. Canadian evangelicals do their part, but will always play second fiddle just on population grounds, while Europe is just less religious. (The funny thing is that as a result of their success overseas, evangelical churches around here are getting pretty brown and diverse, which was not the plan)
Obviously this whole chart is outside of the colonial era.
In recent history it’s mostly the US.
Guess i can’t really argue wity that. What remains is the question whether the change was mainly driven by outside forces, or is mainly the result of internal pressure. We know who recently exported the most bigotry, but was it more influencial then the bigotry that was exported there earlier? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Obviously this whole chart is outside of the colonial era.
I agree 1993 was after the colonial era, but my point is that Nigeria wasn’t a blank slate that was never influenced by anything before they collected the data for this chart.
Sure. That goes for India as well, though. This thread really seemed to be about who’s gotten worse.
Specifically on this issue in this time frame.
Not a lot of gay orgies at least
It’s likely religion doing its thing again
What is the mechanism that you believe is at work? “Religion” doesn’t really explain anything and comes across as possibly bigoted.
It’s quite a religious country
With the two major religions both not having a great track record regarding treatment of gay people
And not liking religions that want to see one dead is not bigotry, but self preservation
I’m not sure you’ve understood the question, because you have (probably unintentionally) avoided answering it. Forgive me if I now over-specify.
You’ve presented some circumstantial evidence against religion; “religion was involved in these bad things.” I am asking for the mechanism by which religion causes these bad things to happen. What is it that religion or religious practice actually does that you believe leads to these outcomes?
You weren’t talking about “religions that want you dead,” you were speaking very generally about the entire concept of religion. Are you trying to hint that you have a personal history that makes you biased and I’m not going to get objective reasoning out of you?
I’m really not sure what you want as an answer.
Of course I’m biased against religions that literally see my existence as evil incarnate.
If your religious leaders are constantly going to tell you that the gays are the root of all evil, if course the homophobia will be rampant.
I’m not sure if you want a soundbite of me saying “yes, I’m bigoted against a country that is homophobic to the core”, because I’m happily saying that, yes
Dude, you’re not that special. People want me dead in the name of their religion, too. But I can still have a rational conversation about the topic. You’re not even attempting to engage with the actual question that is asked and it’s not clear why, but I think it’s clear that you’re working on your own personal issues and not really available for discussion on the topic. Maybe consider keeping your coping private, it’s harmful to others.
No idea what you’re on about
Maybe chill a bit and either take more or less drugs
Heritage foundation.
All the Islamic countries are left off the list for some strange reason
These countries have not had the most reliable reporting on topics like these, so data quality/availability is a likely reason for their absence.
Religious fundamentalism is strongly correlated with anti LGBT sentiment (at least with Abrahamic religions), so it is fair to assume that these countries are probably not very good. It is also worth noting that most of them are like they are due to meddling (or outright coups) by western nations. Iran was fairly progressive for its day before the CIA overthrew their democratically elected government.
Turkey would like a word.
Time travel
Except for Nigeria :(
Considering that the majority of countries are missing from this, i wonder how many more there are where it got worse.
I think I’ve made this comment before but I’m always amused at the phrasing of homosexuality being rarely justified.
So gay sex is WRONG and you’ll go to HELL for your DEBAUCHE…wait 😳 he’s cute! 😍 ok god will let you off this time ☺️.
Even in progressive countries like norway thats one in ten people think that homosexuality is never or rarely ok. Insane. Thats so many people. Its a minority, sure, but its still common.
Christians aren’t people.
Does anyone know why Argentina was/is so progressive compared to its neighbors like Brazil and Chile?
My guess: Larger % of people living in city centers vs rural areas. A quick glance at population data over time seems to back that up, but you know what they say about correlation.
It’s a really good question, I’m from Argentina and I don’t have a solid answer. Like someone else said the colonization and history is likely to be part of the reason, but I would like to remark that Argentina has a lot more influence from Italy, Spain, Germany and France, and also Jewish ( iirc Buenos Aires used to be the city with the largest jewish population after New York in the 90’s). It’s a very different cultural melting pot compared to any other country in South America.
Interesting! How are the county’s vibes regarding immigrants? Im always looking for a backup county in case my current one goes to shit again :)
In general the culture is very much ‘you do you’. People mind their own business and don’t discriminate much. There is some animosity towards immigrants from some neighboring countries, but you would already know if that was your demographic. Occasionally you find some disdain towards English-speaking immigrants, but I would say that’s overshadowed by admiration in general.
Overall I’d say the vibe is positive.
The main concern with Argentina isn’t discrimination but economic instability, corruption, and high crime rates. Buenos Aires, its capital, is rough. If you are seriously considering it, my suggestion would be pick another province and ideally bring your own work as a freelancer or similar, because making money can be challenging.
Maybe has something to do with the type of colonisation in each country. Argentina had its first university in 1613, while Brazil had its first in 1808. Brazil as a colonial project kept its extractivist nature for a lot longer.
Argentina used to be first world as well, for whatever that’s worth.
It’s confusing what you mean, because while “is first world” has come to mean “is a developed nation” for some reason, “used to be a first world” ambiguously summons the prior definition of the word, “an ally of the United States in the cold war.” Ideally this problematic phrase should be avoided.
You’re probably right, but “was a developed nation” seems confusing it it’s own way, given that the definition of “developed” is pretty starkly different across times (there is no country left in the world with infant mortality as bad as best performer US in 1900, for example). In long form, it was at the same level as familiar W.E.I.R.D countries like the US, New Zealand and France, and then later fell behind.
Three worlds wasn’t a great classification system when it was first devised, even. First world and second world made sense, lumping everything else into one category was pretty eurocentric and dismissive.
It wasn’t a classification, it was a declaration. It was what side you were on in the Cold War.
Hmm. The Wikipedia article mentions a French essay as the origin of the idea.
I’m not sure what you mean by this. nations either chose or didn’t firmly choose a side, but lumping together all the ones that didn’t choose together is categorisation. The non-aligned movement was there too but it didn’t include the whole third world.
Didn’t know the world excludes all of Africa except Nigeria where homophobia is still very much a thing. Hell my ex was Zulu and my current girlfriend is Kenyan. Homophobia is alive and well in everywhere that was conveniently left our? Lol
The data appears to be very incomplete for Africa. Hit the play button, then scroll through dates.
thats great :3
now show the islamic countries😁
Icelands decline is because racist Garry has died.
Did not expect Japan that high up, I guess the gay mangas had an effect.
Hey I’m not saying if has anything to do with the fact that manga publishers started printing futanari stories more openly in the mid 80’s…
But I’m also not not saying it’s related…
Surely the inverse would be true. The fact that they felt able to publish that kind of content was because of cultural shifts.
I didn’t expect China to score well but sheesh
AFAIK the government is the issue there, not cultural attitudes. Their politicians don’t use it as a weapon, but I could be wrong.
government is the issue there, not cultural attitudes
Ehh… Not really. Homophobia is just different in East Asian cultures. A lot of Asian people don’t really care if someone they don’t know is gay, but are incredibly harsh towards their own family members if they come out. Pretty much all East Asia is still extremely culturally conservative and still holds onto Confucianist social values like abiding to strict social expectations.
reproduction taboos and mores? gay people can’t produce children for the family?
That’s a large part of it, carrying on the blood line is super important to most East Asian cultures. The other part of the equation is that their cultural ideas leave no place for queer people in their idea of modern society.
It’s kinda strange, but pre-western influenced East Asia was arguably less conservative in a lot of ways when it came to sexual orientation. There were more gray places in society for nontraditional relationships like court eunuchs, harams, and other noble positions that diverged from today’s cultural norms.
I think a direct link to the data/source should be required while posting in this community. Sure, it would reduce submissions but the quality will be much higher.
Good they did not include Bangladesh. It would be all Red. Peoples view did not change.
They included Nigeria instead, where it rose from 94% to 96%
Or you could be like Nigerian become slightly worse.
What a weird and confusing way to phrase that.
That happens when people cant say what they think yeah. :)
But it does feel better. Feels like progress. But may not be actual progress.
The audacity of posting a graph in here without axis labels
