- Queen HawlSera ( @HawlSera@lemm.ee ) English31•1 year ago
It’s a reminder of what he went through to atone for the sins of mankind
The point is that he doesn’t like crosses
- Wisely ( @Wisely@lemm.ee ) 13•1 year ago
That part never made any sense to me either. Why do sins need to be forgiven and how does torturing someone allow forgiveness? Seems like torturing and killing the son of god would be a serious sin by itself.
Couldn’t god just realize he created flawed beings and forgive them himself, or not hold a grudge about it? Humans are how he made them according to the religion.
- dlrht ( @dlrht@lemm.ee ) 8•1 year ago
You ask good questions, but if you’re really interested you can look into Christian apologetics re: free will. There are some interesting answers awaiting you. But the gist of it is that God didn’t create flawed beings, he created beings with free will that chose to be flawed.
And Christianity has never said free will is a flawed design, because humans having free will is one of the most important aspects of the religion and is very fundamental to what it means to be a human (a concept that is true both in and outside of Christianity, unless you believe in destiny or something). It is not a flaw to have free will, otherwise God himself would be flawed. In a regular context, it’s kind of like you’re not flawed for existing, but you’re flawed if you do negative things with your existence. I would personally have to be convinced that having free will is a flaw/a negative thing
To quickly answer your first couple questions: death is the punishment for sinning and Jesus is supposed to be perfect and sinless and thus should not die. but instead he died in place of other sinners, kind of like taking the blame for them. And yes, torturing and killing the son of God was indeed a sin, the people who did it were sinful. I don’t think anyone has said otherwise. The ones who killed Jesus were not his followers or supporters
- ThePac ( @ThePac@lemmy.ml ) English3•1 year ago
death-cultsplainin’
- dlrht ( @dlrht@lemm.ee ) 1•1 year ago
Copium
- ThePac ( @ThePac@lemmy.ml ) English1•1 year ago
That, too.
- dlrht ( @dlrht@lemm.ee ) 1•1 year ago
Yes sir whatever you say great discussion
- corsicanguppy ( @corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ) 1•1 year ago
Seems he could have anticipated the flaw.
- dlrht ( @dlrht@lemm.ee ) 1•1 year ago
Seems you could have read my comment better
- NattyNatty2x4 ( @NattyNatty2x4@beehaw.org ) 1•10 months ago
The doylist explanation is that a lot of religions back in the day practiced animal sacrifice to their deities (including judaism, e.g. Noah sacrificing animals after the flood and Abraham sacrificing a ram in place of his son once god was bored of telling Abraham to kill his kid to prove his faith). Jesus getting sacrificed is supposed to be a mirror of this for Christians and an “ultimate” sacrifice. They don’t sacrifice animals to god anymore because jesus just keeps doing the heavy lifting for them.
- NegativeLookBehind ( @NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social ) 28•1 year ago
Silly Jesus, it’s not about what you like. It’s about symbolism, and using that symbolism to persuade and oppress, and start wars, and justify shitty behavior.
- Leraje ( @leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) English9•1 year ago
They got their Armageddon, they got their Rapture, they salivate for death to live in their paradise, they objectify an instrument of death.
Death Cult.
- M0oP0o ( @M0oP0o@mander.xyz ) 8•1 year ago
What part of modern Christianity makes you think they give a shit what Jesus thinks?
- Belgdore ( @Belgdore@lemm.ee ) 8•1 year ago
I grew up evangelical, and the way evangelicals use the cross this argument makes sense. But the catholic crucifix as a depiction of the suffering of Christ makes more sense as a symbol to put a believer’s mind and heart in the right place for supplication.
- Technofrood ( @Technofrood@feddit.uk ) 3•1 year ago
More proof Jesus was the OG Vampire
CONFIRMED by that glorious scene at the beginning Coppola’s flick.