Sorry, what’s .Net again?
The runtime? You mean .Net, or .Net Core, or .Net Framework? Oh, you mean a web framework in .Net. Was that Asp.Net or AspNetcore?
Remind me why we let the “Can’t call it Windows 9” company design our enterprise language?
Can’t call it Windows 9
But that actually made sense! They care about backwards compatibility.
For those not in the know: some legacy software checked if the OS name began with “Windows 9” to differentiate between 95 and future versions.
The reason they checked that it started with “Windows 9” was because it worked for “Windows 95” and “Windows 98”
An often repeated urban legend that has no basis in reality. Software checking the version of Windows gets “6.1” for Windows 7 and “6.2” for Windows 8. The marketing name doesn’t matter and is different.
some legacy software checked if the OS name began with “Windows 9” to differentiate between 95 and future versions.
This is a myth. Windows doesn’t even have an API to give you the marketing name of the OS. Internally, Windows 95 is version 4.0 and Windows 98 is 4.1. The API to get the version returns the major and minor version separately, so to check for Windows 95 you’d check if majorVersion = 4 and minorVersion = 0.
Edit: This is the return type from the API: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/winnt/ns-winnt-osversioninfoexa
Maybe it’s a myth, but it sure sounds plausible. The software that checks the “Windows 9” substring doesn’t even have to exist for this to be reason they chose to skip to version 10 — they just had to be concerned that it might exist.
Sure, maybe there’s no C function that returns the string, but there’s a
vercommand. It would be trivial to shell out to the command. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ver_(command)This doesn’t prove anything, but there are a TON of examples of code that checks for the substring. It’s not hard to imagine that code written circa 2000 would not be future proof. https://sourcegraph.com/search?q=context:global+“\“windows+9\””&patternType=keyword&sm=0
but there are a TON of examples of code that checks for the substring
oh
oh no
There’s code in the JDK that does that??
I really wish I didn’t see that.
Yup!! Never look under the hood in software, you’ll just be disappointed ☹️
I’ve been a software developer for 20 years and this comment is too real. Some days I’m amazed that any software even works at all.
- intensely_human ( @intensely_human@lemm.ee ) 3•1 year ago
Having worked in both food service and software, I encourage you not to visit the kitchen of any restaurants you enjoy either.
And for the same reason they went straight from
2.13.x to 5.0 when they renamed .Net Core to just .Net. Versions3.x and4.x would have been too easy to confuse (either manually or programmatically) with the old .Net Framework versions that were still in use, especially for Desktop applications.Strange argument… how does that prevent checks versus Windows 7, 8 and 1* all of which would be less than 9.
Because it checks if the version starts with the string “Windows 9*”, not wether the number is less than 9.
This is a myth - code that checks the version number uses the internal version number, which is 4.0 for Windows 95.
I was about to say that most apps should check the NT number but then I remembered that until XP it wasn’t common to run a NT system, but then I remembered NT 4 existed basically in the same timeframe as 95 did, and even if the argument went to “it’s a 9x application”, shouldn’t these OSes at least have some sort of build number or different identifier systems? Because as I said NT systems were around, so they would probably need a check for that
Some programs just didn’t work on NT though. A lot of installers were more OS specific back then.
.net core is not a thing anymore in case somebody it’s not aware, now is just .net. (unless you use really old version of course).
I really don’t think it’s that bad. The only weird thing is .NET Core becoming just .NET in version 5.
Not too weird… It’s the “one true .NET version” now. The legacy .NET Framework had a good run but it’s not really receiving updates any more.
I have no complaints about just calling it .NET. The distinction between .NET and .NET Framework isn’t much of a problem. It’s the fact that .NET and .NET Core aren’t actually different that’s odd. It underwent a name change without really being a different project, meanwhile the Framework -> Core change was actually a new project.
It underwent a name change without really being a different project
The name difference was only to differentiate the legacy .NET Framework with the new .NET Core while both were being developed concurrently. They never intended to keep the “Core” suffix forever. .NET Core had a lot of missing APIs compared to .NET Framework 4.5., and “.NET 1.0” would have been ambiguous. It was to signify that it was a new API that isn’t fully compatible yet.
Once .NET Core implemented nearly all the APIs from the legacy .NET Framework, the version numbers were no longer ambiguous (starting from .NET 5.0), and the legacy framework wasn’t used as much as it used to be, it made sense to drop the “Core” suffix :)
Yes… But ASP.NET Core kept the branding. Thus “Core” still exists, concurrently with the regular “.NET.”
Actually they are different.
.Net core, mono and xamarin used to be completely separate and slightly incompatible runtimes.
They have all been unified under .Net so c# (and other .net languages) will run exactly the same on each.
So the coreclr runtime still exists but you no longer need to target it specifically.
I have the same issue with Java. Oracle JDK, Open JDK or some other weird distribution? Enteprise Servers or a Framework like Springboot? It’s always easier if you’re familiar with the technology.
Hey now, why don’t you join my work and use
jboss-4.2.2.GA? (kill me)
I scream silently everytime.
May I introduce you to Usb 3.x renaming?
3.0, 3.1Gen1, 3.2Gen1, 3.2Gen1x1 are the 5Gbps version.
3.1Gen2, 3.2Gen2, 3.2Gen1x2, 3.2Gen2x1 are the 10Gbps version.
Are those USB naming schemes, or edgy usernames from 2000s like
xXx_31Gen3x1HardCore_xXx?
The reasoning it was to not confuse with .net framework 4.x series, and since they went beyond 4.x, it’s just .net now. I believe .net core moniker was to explicitly distinguish is from framework versions.
It didn’t help the confusion at all, tch. Being a .net guy since 1.0, you just figure it out eventually
I’m developing it for Xbox One X.
.Net is both the umbrella term for the entire ecosystem and the new runtime haha
Microsoft is so bad at naming things!
Given that .net was a TLD long before the framework came out, it was a stupid thing to name it. Caused confusion and the inability to Google things right away.
Microsoft names many things stupidly.
Microsoft Azure Blob
(Yes it’s a real product they market)
I mean, blob (and object storage in general) has been used as a term for a long time. It isn’t particularly new, and MS didn’t invent it.
Visual Studio
CodeAnd renames a random product every month, following a restructuring it’s licensing
Yeah Microsoft Entra is the latest one. Azure AD had such huge brand recognition and they just dropped it lol
- intensely_human ( @intensely_human@lemm.ee ) 1•1 year ago
“xbox”
It’s like naming your company x
- intensely_human ( @intensely_human@lemm.ee ) 1•1 year ago
Or the rectangular gaming console that you sell “xbox”
Like naming a new TLD .zip!
No, you’ll need to contact Kim Dotcom. I am merely Kim Dotnet.
Ok, but we all should admit: .net is a terrible name.
And then there’s .net classic and .net core. Making up two entirely separate names shouldn’t be difficult for marketing executives.
.NET Core doesn’t exist any more. It’s just .NET now. I think that changed around the release of .NET 5?
The classic version is mostly legacy at this point too.
My workplace insists on using dot net classic to recreate a twenty years old VB app that should be able to drink, vote, and drive.
Please send help. SQL queries are a spaghetti mess and all the original devs are probably gone or dead.
Still better than .dot
Well .NET is dead now so I guess .COM and .ORG are dead too?
- quackers ( @quackers@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 8•1 year ago
.NET is better than ever wdym
.net isn’t dead, that’s for sure. It’s not the top ecosystem, but it is pretty healthy.
It’s been my experience that the .NET developer will miss the actual statement and take it as an assault on .NET being the best solution for every use case.
Can you spot the error? Johnson went to the trump organization for a professional field.
- intensely_human ( @intensely_human@lemm.ee ) 3•1 year ago
This is one of the funniest meme templates because it’s based on one of the funniest moments in media history.
Yes but I’ll l need to charge more as they require disclosure specific equipment