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[…] I announce that our move off of wlroots is now complete and MR 6608 is now merged.
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People keep saying this happened only because vaxry got banned from the FDO, completely forgetting the fact that hyprland has used their own modified fork of wlroots for ages now. They’ve wanted to get away from wlroots even before this whole fiasco, it really just tipped the needle for them to finally pull the trigger.
Mind you also, the ban in no way prevents hyprland from using wlroots still. The only thing the ban did was prevent vaxry from contributing to wlroots upstream, which is damn unfortunate if you ask me.
For everyone shitting about Vaxry, I recommend reading both sides of the equation, not only FDO/Drew’s.
I read #bothsides and concluded that Vaxry and his boys club are fascist cunts.
Just looked into this drama because I had no idea what the fuck was going on, and MAJOR YIKES
Wow! Just like how I moved away from Hyprland. :)
Your loss lol
Ngl this will blow over in like 2 weeks, FOSS drama has the lifespan of a moth
Well done to Vaxry and co for achieving such a feat! I still think it’s completely pointless but at least it will mean that it can now be more easily packaged for other distros, as it avoids the issue with using tagged wlroots.
I lost some faith in humanity upon reading that such drama over attitude that I would consider juvenile at best and mildly inappropriate at worst is still sparking debate.
I regained some faith in humanity upon reading many people trying to put things into perspective - this guy is not evil incarnate.
Also - and this is catered to American audiences - do not forget that this guy is from Poland. American left-wing values do not stretch all over the world.
American left-wing values
Hold up, what? The Overton window of US politics is so skewed to the right that what is usually considered left-wing there is right-wing elsewhere. US left-wing (read right-wing for much of the rest of the world) values are definitely common globally due to American cultural export (read military hegemony and neocolonialism).
The so called woke ideology is in fact spreading all over the world although I believe the layman is somewhat unaware of what is really going on. I am from Europe. In recent years, in my country it has become a common saying that “we are not allowed to say anything”. Common people have become aware of this trend, though they have yet to pinpoint it to a political argument or even to the country of origin.
woke ideology
Like basic respect for others?
not allowed to say anything
Yeah, this is just not true. Unlike those who are actually marginalized, these people say nasty shit and claim that being called a dickhead for it is a violation of their freedom of speech. The reality is that they actually want some sort of immunity to backlash for their own words and actions, effectively limiting other people’s freedom of expression.
If everyone can say nasty shit, freedom of expression is guaranteed to everybody. I think that basic respect for others is advisable and being friendly goes a long way but I still want to have the possibility to say nasty shit, if a polite feedback is not enough to state my point. Or even for humorous purposes, if that is what I want.
You misunderstand what I am saying: They are mostly (save where hate speech laws apply) allowed to say nasty stuff. They just do not enjoy the privilege of everyone else shutting up about it. I.e., other people react to it and say unkind, possibly nasty stuff back, which the original people in question get butt hurt by and subsequently whine about “the woke mob cancelling them”.
It does not stop to being called out for a wrong pronoun. The consequences for using words not approved by the woke mob can be very real, like losing a job and being effectively cancelled. When interacting with a transsexual person, I address said person by the pronouns that match the sex that they purport to show off. Doing otherwise would be impolite. On a serious note, though, a man who underwent procedures to appear as a woman is not a woman: said person is still a man who underwent procedures to appear as a woman. The woke mob wants me to affirm that a transsexual woman is, in fact, a real woman. I will not say that. I would be a lying. I tend to pursue truth. Truth does not care about people’s feelings.
The woke mob wants me to affirm that a transsexual woman is, in fact, a real woman. I will not say that. I would be a lying. I tend to pursue truth. Truth does not care about people’s feelings.
Ok. Seems to me that you just want a free pass at being an ass.
She is a real woman even though she does not conform to your expectations of what gender is. Here is the thing though: She does not need your affirmation to
- be real
- look like a woman
- live like a woman
- feel like a woman.
What reason do you have to claim that she is not a “real woman” (whatever that means, I can guarantee that it is not well defined)? Most importantly, if she feels like a woman, even if you disagree on some metaphysical level of nonsense of what is a woman, why would you have the need to tell her what you think? Lastly, why do you think your opinion about her body is important?
This is just far left acting like how they always act, isolating folks to satisfy their reaching arguments. This does no benefit to FDO. If you ask all these people for any source they will share a 2yr old drew vaults blogpost. They can just go to discord or github and screenshot the alleged “bigoted fascist pos owner and community” but for now they will just stick to making hypothetical scenarios of how they will get harassed for contributing.
I agree with you.
Very nice, this comes with a lot of advantages for Hyprland, and I wholeheartedly congratulate Vaxry on separating from the rubbish that is FDO’s management.
Neat
Watching the discussion here I finally get how it feels like to be a centrist. And it feels dirty.
Anyway, good for them, or whatever. Hyprland was a’ight when I tested it, even if it ain’t my thing. Still hoping for a Wayland Compositor that gives an XFCE-type experience (that is to say, UX without Gnome’s ‘opinionated’ weirdness, and without all the fancy effects that Plasma has. Relatively lighter, also looks a bit retro)
You may want to look into gnome classic, it comes default with gnome.
It’s not fancy or even popular, but it was made specifically for people like you.
A Wayland Compositor with an XFCE-type experience
XFCE is working on Wayland support!
You can theme plasma and turn the effects off. Why isn’t that exactly what you want?
Wow. Too bad people can’t get past themselves and grow together over preferring to hold on to a situation to be enraged about forever. Sorry no apologies accepted ever. I’ve established a pattern as victim, jury, and judge and my position is rational and not emotional and I will sound off to squash the bigotry as the only way to defeat it is to never move past it.
I use Mutter
Seems like a very bad decision
I think its a good idea not having wlroots everywhere, its important so that people dont just assume every wlroot extension is available
What would be the advantages of using this over, say i3? (Does it summarize to X vs Wayland)
Yes. Also plus eye candy with hyprland. Sway is the i3 experience on Wayland. The official roadmap for i3 is to fall into obscurity as Xorg goes away. They explicitly call out that other things exist for Wayland and adjusting i3 would distract resources from those projects
i was here for systemd round 2
i don’t have any stake in this, i’m a fucking xfce user lmao, but man “hyprland” is not a very great name since it immediately makes me think it’s a crypto bullshit project…