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History did not start on 7 October. But as the world stops to mourn it will for ever be a reminder of whose lives matter.
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Really need to figure out how to filter keywords in Lemmy. I swear every second article I see is a variation of, 'WAI IS NO1 TALKING ABOUT ISRAEL!?!?!?"
Lost your faith in humanity? Or Americans?
You’re right. It didn’t start on Oct 7th. There was a cease fire in place. Then Hamas broke the cease fire, killed over a thousand civilians, kidnapping more, and then hid behind women and children like the cowardly bastards they are. Hamas can go fuck themselves, and so can everyone who supports them.
Pro-tip: Gaza is 99% Sunni Muslim. They are an ethnostate. Israel is only 73.2% Jews, and has people and politicians of all three Abrahamic religions. Gaza criminalizes lgbtq people, and oppressed women. Israel has gay pride parades and women have equal rights.
Why do you think Hamas are the good guys? What conceivable quality do you like about them?
Nice genocide evasion script you got going there.
Idk that script was really convincing. I now think that little baby Hind deserved to die, along with all those other kids. She lived in an ethno state so, what were the Israelis to do besides ruthlessly murder her?
As we all know, the Warsaw ghetto was an ethnostate, that had to go. The slums still being bombed to the south of Beirut, the thuds which have kept me up all night? Overwhelmingly Shia Muslim. That’s right folks, another ethnostate that needs to be destroyed. By the IDF which is definitely not the arm of an ethnostate.
I don’t know what you think genocide is, but I consider genocide to be “the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group” like with the Holocaust or with Hamas’s attempting genocide of Israel.
What do you consider genocide to be?
OK now you’re just straight up trolling. Good luck with that. I don’t think anyone around here is naive enough to not see through your rage baiting.
Why do you think Hamas are the good guys? What conceivable quality do you like about them?
Who are you talking to? The author of the article literally said “I condemn Hamas” three times in the second paragraph.
You expect me to read obvious propaganda? It’s just Palestine playing the victim. Again. Because they’re cowardly bastards.
Yes, I do expect people to read articles before responding to them. What is the point of using discussion-based social media if you’re not here for an educated discussion on the topic? If you want to have a partisan screaming match just use Twitter.
I wouldn’t bother engaging. They’re not commenting in good faith, they’re just trying to annoy us and waste our time.
Palestine playing the victim
Umm, yes? Because they literally are the victim? Of an active genocide that started in October last year, and of apartheid and colonisation that has been going on for decades.
Until Israel goes back to the 1949 borders at least (realistically, that leaves the Gaza strip insanely restricted, and the UN’s 1947 plan for Gaza was so much better), and leaves Palestine alone and punishes Israeli settlers, while ceasing treating Palestinian Israelis as second-class citizens, Israel will remain by far the worse party in this scenario.
https://aussie.zone/post/14343908
But no, it’s definitely Israel that are the good guys here. 🤦♂️
What conceivable quality do you like about them?
The facf they’re not committing genocide right now?
Now that’s just being in denial that you support bad people
Israel abused a dog for years and now acts surprised that the dog bit them back. I don’t support HAMAS or the government of Israel. Both countries have a right to coexist peacefully. Given the history of the Israel/Palestine debacle it is hardly surprising that a group promising to destroy Israel is/was popular with a group of people oppressed by Israel. Similarly, with the election of the current Israeli government who seem to be elected to eliminate HAMAS and protect settlements in the west bank.
Let me make something crystal clear. All lives have equal worth. On October 7th ~1,200 Israeli civilians were killed, since then >40,000 Palestinian civilians. Surely no cause is worth killing civilians over. How do you justify that Israel is the good guy?
On October 7th ~1,200 Israeli civilians were killed,
No. 1139 people were killed, 373 of which were military or security personnel. Nobody really talks about what exactly happened on October 7th anymore, but the idea that Hamas and other groups entered, killed a bunch of civilians and left does nothing but help Israel.
But the majority of people they killed were civilians. There is no good guy in this war, any attempt to simplify it to such terms is disingenuous at best.
But the majority of people they killed were civilians.
That gets us into the whole crossfire and Israeli friendly fire thing, but that’s not really what I’m trying to say. I’m just trying to say that it’s not as simple as “Hamas did a very bad thing to Israel”; a good part of October the 7th was resistance against Israeli occupation (and a good part wasn’t, don’t get me wrong, but I’ve noticed that this fact gets forgotten because Israeli actions deserve condemnation either way).
I’m confused what we’re arguing about here, I simultaneously believe that Hamas did a bad thing to Israel and that Israel is doing a very very very bad thing (and has for a long time) to Palestine. I don’t however, believe that Israel’s response has been proportional, nor do I believe Israel are making any earnest attempts at a diplomatic solution. I also find it hard to see that genocide isn’t their goal when they keep blowing up schools, hospitals, aid workers and journalists.
Referring to my original comment the acts on October 7 make perfect sense in the context the history of Israel and the attack on military targets can easily be justified as an act of war. I suppose what really irks me is that neither side is above targeting civilians
the attack on military targets can easily be justified as an act of war.
Yeah that’s exactly what I was getting at. Not trying to defend the atrocities they committed (which are many), but at the start when they weren’t as obviously committing genocide Israel was trying to paint itself as an unambiguous victim and one of their strategies was to claim all the dead as civilians and deny that the attack had any military goals, so I wanted to correct the 1200 civilians figure.