wurzelgummidge ( @wurzelgummidge@lemmy.ml ) 54•11 days agoAnd this is a country whose people have been fed heavily pro-Israel propaganda since the day they were born. What does the rest of the world think ?
Nemean_lion ( @Nemean_lion@lemmy.ca ) English36•11 days agoI guess that’s what happens when you’re a piece of shit like Isreal seems to be.
تحريرها كلها ممكن ( @PanArab@lemmy.ml ) 29•11 days agoStill too high but it isn’t easy to undo decades of brainwashing
limer ( @limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English7•10 days agoBrainwashing or just nasty people?
technocrit ( @technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 13•10 days agoExtreme, overt brainwashing.
lazynooblet ( @lazynooblet@lazysoci.al ) English6•10 days agoHuman psyche is susceptible to manipulation.
limer ( @limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English2•10 days agoIt mostly works on people already bigoted and hateful, I think. A decent person may have inaccurate picture, but indecent people support it more
technocrit ( @technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 4•10 days agoIt’s a chicken and egg situation. Do terrible people support zionism? Or does zionism make people terrible? I’m pretty sure it’s the second option. People of all religions (especially civil religion) are brainwashed into this cult from birth.
limer ( @limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English2•10 days agoI think it’s all part of the child abuse cycle; people manipulated and humiliated while young, without a person to speak up for them, tend to support these types of things. And a lot of their children will too.
But those who had more nurturing and love tend to not support ideologies which dehumanize, and can recognize more when something promotes senseless violence. They are also more decent adults.
eldavi ( @eldavi@lemmy.ml ) English1•10 days agobut unlike most of the other cults; people who escape from this cult are not popularly heeded.
conditional_soup ( @conditional_soup@lemm.ee ) 5•9 days agoBrainwashing. Trying to understand the Palestine- Israel situation was something I casually worked at, off and on, for twelve years, which is 1000x more effort than most Americans put into it. I’d get about six hours into trying to untangle the propaganda and get what I felt was an accurate portrayal of the truth using what I felt were high factuality, unbiased sources and just get nowhere. I got as far as understanding that Israel is an authoritarian police/ethnostate, but I never had so clear of a picture of the situation as I do now. Israel has removed all doubt for me that they’re proudly undertaking a project of genocide.
limer ( @limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English1•9 days agoNo doubt about the genocide.
Maybe I am unfairly judging Americans who support Israel or look down on Palestinians.
But I have so much anger about that I cannot be impartial. Most Americans have had hints they ignore, deliberately. I can’t forgive that
conditional_soup ( @conditional_soup@lemm.ee ) 3•9 days agoMost people have a very surface level understanding of various political issues. There’s only so many hours in a day, and people choose to use them in different ways. I can’t really blame them for that. I also can’t blame them for the fact that we’re probably one of the most heavily propagandized peoples on earth, with Fox and the right wing news networks being the crowning jewel of such. I can see how it’d be easy to take your infotainment of Jesse Waters smugly “owning” Nancy Pelosi over some stupid fucking bullshit she said or did without ever hearing a real dissenting voice and just stop there. I can’t agree with it, but a lot of the normies I know have made it clear to me that I’m a special case in that regard.
limer ( @limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English4•9 days agoAll I know is that if I can blame the average Russian, German, Brit, Serbian, Hutu etc for bad things in history. No force on earth is going to have me give Americans a pass. Especially after the majority of them supported the wars in the Middle East.
It’s a genocide, the clues are everywhere. It’s not an American thing that makes it unique. There are shitty people everywhere mixed in with decent folks.
And it’s fine to not protest or just be quiet. Sometimes that is all one can do. It’s ok to think one is powerless to oppose such things. This is the case for many.
But actual support that is voluntary? No
And I think there is some overlap between our two views. Many of the people who I would give a pass to, are many of the people you talk about
technocrit ( @technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 27•10 days agoI has no sympathy towards the genocidal ideology of zionism.
But I’m definitely sympathic to people who are born in palestine and resist the ongoing genocide, ethnic cleansing, etc. That’s brave regardless of their “religion” or lack thereof.
umbrella ( @umbrella@lemmy.ml ) 21•11 days agosure, ill take it but “less than half” doesnt sound very promising.
huquad ( @huquad@lemmy.ml ) English17•10 days agoMany people still think “both sides” though
darkmoon_au ( @darkmoon_au@lemm.ee ) English1•10 days agoYes
geneva_convenience ( @geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml ) 16•11 days agoPump those numbers down. Those are rookie numbers.
jagged_circle ( @jagged_circle@feddit.nl ) English10•10 days agoYeah we broke the majority last year
MetalMachine ( @MetalMachine@feddit.nl ) English7•9 days agoThe zionist nazi state has no right to exist. Just like nazi Germany had no right to exist. A state built on ethnic cleansing, stealing peoples land and their massacre is a state which should not exist.