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Happy 30th Birthday “New Technology” File System! Thanks for 30 years of demonstrating Linux superiority with a gap that widens with every new kernel release 👍
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I heard, this commercial distribution “Windows” still uses it. But this thing just recently got a (very limited) package manger. So they seem to be very late with adapting to current technology.
On the bright side it only very rarely destroys itself when updating. However, some very loud foss distributions do it fairly often.
It forces you to update and then works at “something something” for 5 minutes to 5 hours and then reboots and does the same thing again but after logging in, none of your applications are updated and also none of the system seems to be changed with the updates. You don’t even get proper status information during updates.
Of course it doesn’t destroy itself when it doesn’t change anything …
Oof this is only thing if you have the os on an HDD. I’ve had similar behavior on *buntu running off of an HDD.
On an sdd or nvme you’ll never have stuff like this happen.
There is an argument to be made for it being better ux to not have programs update without telling you. Winget isn’t perfect, but it can auto update your stuff if need be.
Windows Server 2022 supports hotpatching in Azure and on prem if hosted on Azure Stack HCI. Not sure if it’s coming to Windows 11 or not.
It’s good at destroying other OSs that may be installed alongside though
There’s nothing wrong with solid old file systems; ext4 is almost 17 and no one complains about it,
I can’t believe Microsoft is still using this piece of crap filesystem. If they had a CoW filesystem they could even paper over the mess that is Windows Update without having to actually fix it, they could save petabytes of storage over the world and significantly improve reliability all in one go. Let’s not even mention how NTFS is amazingly slow on hard drives, manages to fragment to hell and back without doing anything, requires offline repairs like it was FAT32 and its compression barely does anything while massively slowing down the computer.
Yet here I am envying btrfs, APFS, ZFS and even fucking XFS for their reflinks and CoW.
In fact, not even WSL uses a modern FS, I think Microsoft is allergic to modern FSs.
None of these problems are really dealbreakers for a consumer-oriented file system in 2023. Not even ext4 supports CoW. Now that everyone boots off an SSD, things like file fragmentation no longer matter, and most of NTFS’ continued slowness has more to do with Windows itself than the actual file system.
ReFS is Microsoft’s new file system meant for more advanced use cases. It supports many but not all of these advanced features. Starting with Windows 11, you can actually boot off a ReFS drive, though I’m not sure that is a recommended configuration.
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Stuff shouldn’t include temporal or subjective aspects in their name like New Technology File System, Grand Unified Bootloader… that’s all I got but you get the idea.
I’m jumping industries here, but Nintendo could not get that out of their system for a while. A game titled “New Super Mario Bros.” came out in it’s first first iteration in 2006. It did quite well, so they kept making sequels, the most recent titled “New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe”. They also put out a couple game consoles with “New” at the beginning, if memory serves.
Nintendo DS => Nintendo 3DS => New Nintendo 3DS => New Nintendo 3DS XL
NT stands for “no toast”. The guy who named it forgot his breakfast that morning.
When asked what NT stood for he lied and came up with “new technology” on the spot.
(And if you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.)
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XFS is 29 years old and certainly still in use as well.
Windows XP is great and I’ll never upgrade my blood pressure machine from it.