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cerement ( @cerement@slrpnk.net ) 264•11 months ago Damage ( @Damage@feddit.it ) 17•11 months agoGot this issue with the Voron 3d printer project. They claim RepRap open source heritage but then hide most of the discussion behind discord’s doors.
hardypart ( @hardypart@feddit.de ) 176•11 months agoI fucking hate Discord. It’s a walled garden. You need an account to see the content and you can’t google shit. It might be great for real time communication, but I can’t grasp how its usage has evolved beyond any of that.
Kayn ( @HKayn@dormi.zone ) 42•11 months agoIt’s because a traditional forum has to be hosted by the project maintainer and then appeal to users enough for them to create an account there.
Compare that to Discord. Most users already have a Discord account and it’s relatively easy to set up a server on there. Plus it happens to be the communication tool for young people.
It makes sense, but it’s sad nonetheless.
Square Singer ( @squaresinger@feddit.de ) 62•11 months agoThe problem is discoverability. And that’s where I don’t get why anyone in their right mind would use Discord for stuff like that.
Say, you have Github, a forum or even a subreddit for your project.
Somebody asks a question, you answer it.
Somebody else has the same question. Either they are intelligent enough to find it themselves or they ask and you just link your old answer. Done.
On Discord, it’s basically impossible to find an answer that is more than two screens full of posts ago. So you have to keep answering the very same questions all the time.
hardypart ( @hardypart@feddit.de ) 38•11 months agoThat’s the exact point. It’s not only that you can’t google shit, even within Discord itself it’s incredibly hard to find the relevant information. BTW, did I already say that I fucking hate Discord?
Chaotic Entropy ( @ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk ) 13•11 months agoI’m starting to get the feeling that you don’t approve of Discord.
Serinus ( @Serinus@lemmy.ml ) English17•11 months agoIt’s great for real time discussion. It’s terrible for anything else.
It’s IRC, not a forum.
SokathHisEyesOpen ( @Anticorp@lemmy.ml ) 3•11 months agoFuck Discord! They’re named after an argument because their very existence is offensive.
AlexWIWA ( @AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml ) 3•11 months agoI love discord… For my group of friends and communicating with other developers (internal project communication, not user communication.) It’s ass for literally everything else.
The Cuuuuube ( @Cube6392@beehaw.org ) 16•11 months agoLive chat is a good choice for friend and making urgent decisions in software. I’ve been watching projects more and more use it for their discussions, issue trackers, and Q&A solutions and it just makes me sad. Live chat isn’t good for anything that will need to be revisited in the future. But still I see more and more communities moving to live chat solutions for their whole community.
And that’s not to get into any of the problems with Discord specifically. I don’t love giving control over community hosting to any individual company. We’ve already seen the results several times. Google groups? Facebook groups? Reddit subreddits? All have demonstrated the problems with hosting your communities on a singular platform. Google groups is straight up gone. Facebook groups require you to sell a small part of your soul to participate. Reddit has been outright abusive towards their user base lately. Discord is vulnerable to all these problems
Spzi ( @Spzi@lemm.ee ) 3•11 months agoWhich might be seen as a positive by some people (not me).
It encourages social interaction. Every answered question becomes a valid option to ask again just a short time later. And to answer again.
It also takes the burden to search from those who have questions. Just keep the chat flowing.
Maybe it’s a bit like asking people on the street for directions, instead of using your phone. Less efficient and accurate, but you might get a smile in the process.
Square Singer ( @squaresinger@feddit.de ) 8•11 months agoOr you might get a “Just use your phone, you idiot. I’ve been answering the same question all day.”
This is at least what happens a lot on these discord channels…
JackbyDev ( @JackbyDev@programming.dev ) 12•11 months agoSubreddits and GitHub discussions exist and don’t require accounts to view nor do they require hosting anything.
ebc ( @ebc@lemmy.ca ) 35•11 months agoLexical (rich text editor by Facebook) recently “migrated” their Github discussions to Discord… I have a question that I can see was asked on the discussion, as it appears in my search results on DDG, but I get a 404 when I try to open it. The fuckers deleted the discussions!
Of course, Discord only has poor-quality answers to that questions as it gets asked every week and maybe gets answered in a different way every time. Quality of discussion is much lower.
SokathHisEyesOpen ( @Anticorp@lemmy.ml ) 14•11 months agoThe fuckers deleted the discussions!
This is a very Facebook-like thing to do. They are openly hostile towards everyone, including their users and advertisers. Shit stain of a company that constantly makes the worst decisions.
Blackmist ( @Blackmist@feddit.uk ) 28•11 months agoAll those reddit communities who migrated to Discord are in for a shock when they pull the exact same shit in a few years.
I use it, but it’s basically “Free Ventrilo but not as shit.” I have nothing of any value on it. It can be yoinked behind a paywall at any time.
ninja ( @ninja@hoboninjachicken.com ) 12•11 months agoI fucking love Discord and use it for as much communication as possible…
…but I also agree with everything you say here
Tocano ( @tocano@lemmy.ml ) 1•11 months agoNow that it has threads and features for communities I think it’s pretty decent.
variants ( @variants@possumpat.io ) 2•11 months agoThe search tool works pretty well that’s usually what I use, or just check the pinned messages that links you to a GitHub or something with a FAQ
TwistyLex ( @TwistyLex@discuss.tchncs.de ) 79•11 months agoI recently built a 3D printer where the entire community for it lives on Discord. Their website instructions are horrifically out of date because all of the current changes have been discussed at some point on Discord. What should have been a 2-4 day project turned into a 2-3 week project due to the garbage involved in trying to strain information out of a massive multi-channel group chat with terrible search.
OsrsNeedsF2P ( @OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml ) 49•11 months agoIt wastes everyone’s time. The project maintainers have to keep answering the same questions, and the users don’t have instant access to answers
SokathHisEyesOpen ( @Anticorp@lemmy.ml ) 18•11 months agoWhy would any sane developer want to use this system to “document” their project? Written docs have worked well for a million years and there’s no need to change them.
Freeman ( @freeman@lemmy.pub ) 13•11 months agoYou can even include them in your version control system and allow others to suggest changes
SokathHisEyesOpen ( @Anticorp@lemmy.ml ) 7•11 months agoAnd you can include separate ones right there in the root folder where the script lives. README.md renders out beautifully on GitHub.
snowbell ( @snowbell@beehaw.org ) 15•11 months agoWhat printer is this so I can avoid it?
Avid Amoeba ( @avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ) 5•11 months agoPoor bastard. I feel you. 💐
AlexWIWA ( @AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml ) 61•11 months agoAlso “I’m so sick of this question” well then put the answer somewhere that’s indexed by search engines. Siloing knowledge into discord is an awful idea.
b3nsn0w ( @b3nsn0w@pricefield.org ) 21•11 months agoThere was a man at CERN once who was sick of questions. His name was Tim-Berners Lee.
𝘋𝘪𝘳𝘬 ( @Dirk@lemmy.ml ) 47•11 months agoDiscord != Support
Discord != Archive
Discord != Issue tracker
Discord != Update news distribution platform Jo Miran ( @JoMiran@lemmy.ml ) 41•11 months agoI’m 50 and I have a 23 year old “RTFM” t-shirt.
Avid Amoeba ( @avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ) 8•11 months agoThis context needs to be on the shirt.
TheFerrango ( @TheFerrango@lemmy.basedcount.com ) 40•11 months agoRequests to Discord are blocked by my company’s newest filters as “gaming”. 😶
dan ( @dan@upvote.au ) 35•11 months agoI mean, it’s not wrong? Discord is still primarily a gaming app built as a replacement for TeamSpeak and Ventrilo. The non-gaming use cases are still in the minority.
NX2 ( @nx2@feddit.de ) 29•11 months agoIt’s still a shit ruling. Back in the day they just blocked all .io sites so you couldn’t play agar.io and so on. But all the IT sites we used were also blocked by that. So we had to go and ask the guy for every single one until he grew sick of it and opened it again
JackbyDev ( @JackbyDev@programming.dev ) 10•11 months agoThat’s like not letting Muslims on a plane because some are terrorists. What a lazy approach.
TheFerrango ( @TheFerrango@lemmy.basedcount.com ) 8•11 months agoThat’s true, but we had a work server there for voice chat
Serinus ( @Serinus@lemmy.ml ) English10•11 months agoWow. I’d be self hosting mumble for that. Or using Teams.
TheFerrango ( @TheFerrango@lemmy.basedcount.com ) 5•11 months agoTeams was crap at the time on our laptops.
I would’ve preferred a company wide IRC chat, but whatever.
👁️👄👁️ ( @mojo@lemm.ee ) 9•11 months agoNot wrong lol, it’s a gamer chat. It tried to rebrand as a regular chat app, but the entire gamer aesthetic says otherwise.
-spam- ( @-spam-@kbin.social ) 3•11 months agoBetter than being blocked as tasteless. Encountered that one the other day.
Avid Amoeba ( @avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ) 39•11 months agoKids these days:
StackExchange bad! Those elitist pieces of shit closed my question I did 0 research for and they were not nice… Imma go and ask the same question on The_Next_Place, where there’s still someone who hasn’t gone mad answering it for the thousandth time.
umbrella ( @umbrella@lemmy.ml ) 8•11 months agoAlways has been. Old forums were full of this.
Avid Amoeba ( @avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ) 12•11 months agoYeah, StackExchange solved this problem. Concrete example, moving from ubuntuforums.org to AskUbuntu.com was a life changer. The time to find correct solutions dropped through the floor.
forgotmylastusername ( @forgotmylastusername@lemmy.ml ) 29•11 months agoI could see the paradigm shifting over the years on reddit. They don’t approach the internet as a knowledge base but a personal assistant chat. That’s when I knew the value of the site was on the down swing.
- RoundSparrow ( @RoundSparrow@lemmy.ml ) 8•11 months ago
This year has been dramatic. I’ve seen a big increase of users with quality content doing deletes in protest of Reddit. And the shift to sites like Lemmy that are not as favored by search engines.
Reddit should have gone the other direction, become a non-profit, eliminate advertising, go back to open sourcing the code like they used to, and run on donations. Cut their staff of people that had anything to do with advertising and trying to market the platform.
salient_one ( @salient_one@lemmy.villa-straylight.social ) 29•11 months agoOne wouldn’t be too wrong to point at similarities between cancer and Discord in how it quickly takes over different systems (e.g. issue tracking, discussions, Q&A, documentation) and replaces them with a single non-functional thing (chat).
But, to play the devil’s advocate, Discord seems to have some kind of a forum functionality, however I’ve never encountered those Forum Channels myself.
max ( @max@feddit.nl ) 11•11 months agoI’ve only seen it so far in the discord group for the city building game Cities: Skylines. And it’s still a mess.
worfamerryman ( @worfamerryman@beehaw.org ) 24•11 months agoI see a lot of things that have a discord community.
Why is this? Is it a way for someone. To earn extra money? Or do they just like that platform?
narnach ( @narnach@feddit.nl ) 40•11 months agoDiscord is easy to setup and use. It’s basically a chatroom with history. It can help build a community. It’s also a horrible way to store/archive information because it focuses on real-time communication. At larger scale it also tends to get too noisy.
worfamerryman ( @worfamerryman@beehaw.org ) 23•11 months agoI don’t care for the real-time communication aspect of it. In fact i find it unusable.
Am I supposed to just sit there and read random conversation and wait for a point to jump in?
Seems like it takes too much effort.
P1r4nha ( @P1r4nha@feddit.de ) 20•11 months agoI mean, that is what IRC chat rooms were back in the day. Or any public chatroom from the 90s.
Realtime communication has its part. We use Slack at work all the time. But searching Slack is a horrible way of replacing missing documentation.
Damage ( @Damage@feddit.it ) 8•11 months agoEspecially when there’s multiple subjects being discussed on the same channel
JackbyDev ( @JackbyDev@programming.dev ) 4•11 months agoeasy to use
Doubt
toastal ( @toastal@lemmy.ml ) 5•11 months agoPlease provide your phone number to enter the room
JackbyDev ( @JackbyDev@programming.dev ) 1•11 months agoTry Nitro!
Eccitaze ( @Eccitaze@yiffit.net ) 15•11 months agoIt’s free*, insanely easy to set up, you don’t have to worry about port forwarding or ddos or hosting fees, has powerful moderation tools, and there’s a plethora of easy to deploy bots that help manage permissions and automate routine tasks. Literally, if it had a proper web-accessible forum similar to phpBB, it would be perfect.
master5o1 ( @master5o1@lemmy.nz ) 11•11 months agoBasically the same reasons subreddits supplanted forums.
TWeaK ( @TWeaK@lemm.ee ) 11•11 months agoLots of users gush over Discord for some reason. My impression is that more technically minded people don’t really like it, but your average user uses it for almost everything and encourages more services they like to use it. Hence why many reddit subs moved to Discord - the mods didn’t necessarily prefer it, but they were sent an overwhelming number of requests from their users.
worfamerryman ( @worfamerryman@beehaw.org ) 7•11 months agoThanks for the heads up, i guess I just a bit too old to have been part of the discord group.
In the country where I live, it’s all Facebook messenger. It’s a shame as o think a number of people don’t really care for it, but everyone and every business uses it so we are kind stuck.
TWeaK ( @TWeaK@lemm.ee ) 3•11 months agoYeah I mean I don’t understand it either. Telegram is bad enough for me, can’t be assed with Discord.
randint ( @randint@feddit.nl ) English24•11 months agoAgreed. Trying to find answers for questions probably already asked on Discord is impossible.
ramjambamalam ( @ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca ) 19•11 months agoAnd then some uppity moderator of some Discord channel for a niche mod for some game gets pissed at users for asking the same question repeatedly, when it’s not obvious at all from any non-Discord source.
Looking at you, Our Summer Car -_-
Big P ( @peter@feddit.uk ) 23•11 months agoI think it can be useful for complex questions, but in my experience most of these discord servers are full of people asking very basic questions and very jaded people giving incredibly rude and cynical answers
The Cuuuuube ( @Cube6392@beehaw.org ) 21•11 months agoAnd the people asking basic questions probably don’t want to be asking anyway. I know from my days on the arch forums you will alway get basic questions even when the manual is exhaustive, but I see so many discord communities where the documentation is woefully incomplete, and the result is predictable: a constant flood of basic questions.
And the people being rude about it have created their own frustration. They picked a bad platform and are mad about how it’s going. Further people who aren’t deeply involved see what a bunch of jerkasses the community maintainers are and just disengage.
Mandy ( @Mandy@beehaw.org ) 20•11 months agoThis applys to so much more than just programming now, sadly
philluminati ( @philluminati@lemmy.ml ) 19•11 months agoThis hits home. Discord is a terrible product I don’t know why anyone likes it.
Tater291 ( @Tater291@lemm.ee ) 4•11 months agoDiscord is great for what is is. It just shouldn’t be used for anything other than some chat and some voice.