Potentially this means that Fedora and CentOS stream do not get timely updates implemented in RHEL.
Canonical must be throwing a party, and I bet SUSE is not hating it either
A lot of people suggested moving away from rhel and rhel based… I did not listen and now…
It’s not closed source technically, but it is a little suspect at the very least. It’s not violating GPL, but we should be striving for better than the bare minimum.
Pure Debian is the way.
Debian has always had a primary focus on being open source and adhering to good open source principles. It’s a rare trait in the modern Linux ecosystem sadly, with so many corporate distros just trying to make a buck. Arch seems pretty good about open principles as well. I’m always going to stick to community-powered distros over ones backed by corporations and I suggest everyone who cares about FOSS do the same.
It was until they shipped systemd. Bloody mess.
If you don’t mind me asking, why do you not like systemd? I like it a lot and in my humble opinion it makes life really easy.
Few people have valid rationale for not liking systemd. Most just parrot something they read because they think they are supposed to have an opinion on it.
I think half of hubbub comes from the fact that the lead dev was a bit of an ass, if I recall correctly. But hey, Linus Torvalds isn’t really known to be a constant ray of sunshine.
This literally feels like the geek equivalent of culture wars stoked to divide people just for the sake of it
But muh sysvinit! My boot times are 0.5 seconds faster! Shitstemd is bloat ware!!!
Religious wars in the FOSS community go together like peas and carrots.
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) English2•2 years ago
Anyone who thinks systemd is a mess has obviously never struggled with the failings of its predecessor. Systemd is a major improvement.
APT is the mess, I’ve never had more issues with broken packages and unbreakable dependency cycles than with APT
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) 2•2 years ago
This is why I always use aptitude to manage my packages, and always review all planned actions (other than simple upgrades) before proceeding.
Yeah i’ve had problems with both Mint and Pop with broken packages. Easy to fix with synaptic package manager, but annoying.
Try NALA, it works much better in my experience compared to APT.
Big Nala fan also. Definitely a better UI experience too
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) English1•2 years ago
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Dammit I just got used to Fedora too. Guess I have to go pure Debian now
Fedora is upstream from RHEL, it won’t make the slightest bit of difference.
That’s good to know, thank you!
It’s not going to have a direct material effect, but it’s going to affect perception. There are already people cautious about corporate influence on Linux, and a Linux distro getting closed like this is going to be seen negatively. While Fedora and RedHat are separate entities, they’re close enough for one’s perception to rub off on the other.
But it’s not “getting closed”, that’s a misleading headline that people have jumped on all of a sudden, there was no talk of this yesterday when the change was announced. This was the original wording. Nothing is going closed, the way it’s published is changing - you might not like the change, but to call it closed source is just deceptive.
The worst case (most cynical interpretation of Red Hat’s narrative) is that they’re trying to make things difficult for Rocky and Alma (which doesn’t make much sense to me from their point of view but it’s what it looks like). The best case (most charitable interpretation) is that it’s a simple rationalisation that could encourage better community integration.
Of course if people keep spreading false or sensationalist narrative that might harm their reputation anyway through misinformation (which is kind of what happened with CentOS Stream in my view).
Right. I’m not seeing how this affects Fedora Linux.
openSUSE Leap or Tumbleweed is an option if you wanna stick to RPM-based.
Yes, SUSE have always been great.
This is where I’m looking I think. I’ve been CentOS at work, Arch at home for 15 years. Suse was actually my very first distro.
Try MX
We need to make “Arch Enterprise Linux”.
What do you think that would be? Arch but with paid support?
Not so much paid support as a pull back from the “bleeding edge” and a focus on stability.
Check out opensuse tumbleweed. You might like it
Ya, I think I’m gonna try it on a second system because it really appeals to me, I use Arch (btw) on my main system and am very happy with it.
I remember people on reddit saying the IBM buyout “is no big deal” and IBM will maintain Redhat “in good faith”
Has anyone got a source on this? The video doesn’t have any more info linked…
Seems like another good company is being sacrificed to corporate greed.
Redhat is pulling a Reddit!
TLDW?
What is gonna happen to Fedora?
What are they thinking?
However, the open-source developer GloriousEggroll mentions that the developer subscription to RHEL is free. So, access to RHEL source code is still possible but inconvenient?
Just want to to note here the Developer subscription is completely free and still allows access to RHEL and its source code if you want exact package sources. CentOS stream basically serves as a RHEL upstream so I understand this change. It may seem confusing for some people.
— GloriousEggroll @gloriouseggroll@fosstodon.org (@GloriousEggroll) June 22, 2023
That’s a sensationalist take on some day old news.
What??? Is there an article rather than a video?
here’s the exact post right from RH themselves
https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/furthering-evolution-centos-stream
Am I missing something? Nothing there says anything about becoming closed source?
Quoted from my other post: Well in order to access the CentOS stream repo you need to have a subscription. So really not closed source but rather “harder-to-view-the-source”.
Well in order to access the CentOS stream repo you need to have a subscription.
That’s false. The sources are right here, open to the world and open for contribution. What was shut down was the automation to export RHEL source RPMs to the legacy location. The source RPM exports were pretty much useless for contributors and maintainers of RHEL and CentOS. However, they were critical for RHEL rebuilds, which is why people are upset.
That’s not closed sourced, it’s just not free (or libre). I mean it still seems like a bad move to me, a retrograde step, but it won’t hurt the business side of things I expect
Well, thats youtube sensationalism for you. Rocky Linux has already said it shouldn’t affect them and if they’re good I doubt there will be much issue.
Man I’m glad I never picked up Fedora. Rocky has already put out a statement that they should be fine at least.
https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/3
What does this have to do with fedora? Fedora is actively supported by redhat I doubt you’re going to see any changes with this. This really only affects redhat alternate distros like rocky.
Fedora’s deeply related Red Hat. Every decision affects Fedora in some way. It’s just another negative change IBM is doing to RH.
@BarrierWithAshes @SmokeInFog @TooL not unless they make new announcements regarding their upstream projects. This decision affects downstream projects that rely on making their code publicly available (hence projects outside of redhat).
I am apprehensive too as I just started using fedora and beginning to like it.
I’ll still be using Fedora. But i’m a RHEL Engineer soo… kinda makes sense to stick with it. I don’t see this really having much of an effect on me.
Red Hat can’t go closed source since the source they’re distributing is released under the GPL. They’re required to distribute code to anyone they distribute binaries to, and they can’t stop anyone who has their code from redistributing it.
You are correct. They can however stop doing business with whoever is distributing their source, which makes getting new versions of the source harder.
This is what the dude selling „hardened“ versions of Linux is doing. Can’t remember the name and I don’t care to give him advertisement anyway, but he simply stops selling you new versions if you distribute old ones.
Grsecurity?
Yeah, that’s it.
There’s a discussion about this on lwn (relevant part starting around this comment). My understanding is like @fayo said: you can pull this “trick” of releasing their source code, but only once (assuming they catch you).
Well this blows, fedora is my favorite distro
I knew we were in for something like this when the Red Hat first became REHL. Even avoided Amazon Linux due to the lineage. But I have to admit that it took longer than I though it would.