The process through which I was placed on TPUSA’s list was anathema to public debate. Instead of writing an op-ed in response to my New York Times op-ed, or inviting me to a public debate on these issues, TPUSA instead added me to an online list that is — as I explained in another New York Times op-ed back in 2016 — essentially a new species of McCarthyism.

Maybe we didn’t realize the extent back then, buy by now I think we all know the playbook for a speaker to accuse their opposition of the speaker’s offenses.

In this case, it is easy to check that, yes, Kirk SAYS he’s for debate, but we can check records to see there are no Kirk/Yancy debates, yet there is a TPUSA list (rather than give them hits, here’s an old archive page).

Trump and his sycophants are implementing political repression, censorship, and politically targeting free speech, which means that those of us who believe in democratic speech, in dissent, in open and critical debate, are being targeted, are being silenced, are being marked for further violence. This is not new for Trump.

Again, we just saw the FCC threaten ABC over Kimmel, and Trump himself has opined that criticizing him should be illegal and networks should be punished for allowing it. They just sent troops to Portland to stop demonstrators?!? That’s not a free democracy! That’s Fmmhmph[CENSORED]

Great read! And with the current headlines as they are, it is absolutely refreshing to have a positive story about a real hero fighting the good fight.

Does not work for ANY phrase. It seems to be presuming that the person asking is referencing something. Sample results copied here in order of AI’s least theorizing to its most.

• horses before giraffes meaning

“Horses before giraffes” has no scientific meaning because giraffes are not ancestors of horses…

• put your horses before giraffes meaning

“Put your horses before giraffes” is not a recognized English idiom. The similar and well-known idiom is “put the cart before the horse,” …

• always put horses before giraffes meaning

The phrase “always put horses before giraffes” is a variation of the well-known medical aphorism: “When you hear hoofbeats, think of horses, not zebras”…

• titrated solutions beget relief meaning

The phrase “titrated solutions beget relief” means that carefully adjusted or fine-tuned treatments can bring about an end to a problem…

I agree with you, but I also think that since there’s a video clip of Cox saying it on TV, the right will never ever let go of it no matter what turns out to be true. I want everyone to know this statement exists so they’re prepared for it.

I heard this on “This Week” and looked for details, but there aren’t yet many sources with details.

It saddens me that the right will latch on to this as proof Robinson is a “lefty” rather than seeing this kid was indoctrinated in right-wing thinking his whole life and when finally confronted with a left-wing issue he cared about, his automatic reaction was a right-wing response.

@aihorde@lemmy.dbzer0.com draw for me a woman holding a full coffee mug with text “Fuck NAZIS” on the mug.

When last night’s phone call from the folks turned to Kirk and violence, I made a point to mention that, yes, there were lots of posts for violent ‘retribution’, but we have no idea how many are just bots trying to stir the pot rather than actual people – but consoled? them that it was still proper to worry because surely those posts would convince some suggestible people that the bot-post ideas are a widely held and acceptable reaction.

From Al Jazeera:

Governor Cox told a news conference on Friday: “On the evening of September 11, a family member of Tyler Robinson contacted a family friend, who then informed the Washington County Sheriff’s Office that Robinson had either confessed to or implied that he had committed the incident.

“This information was relayed to the Utah County Sheriff’s Office and investigators at Utah Valley University and conveyed to the FBI.”

and

Governor Cox said cryptic messages were engraved on shell casings recovered with the rifle, which he read out phonetically. Their meaning is not immediately clear.

One spent shell case read: “Notices, bulges OWO what’s this?”

Cox said three unfired shell cases read: “Hey fascist! Catch! Up arrow symbol, right arrow symbol, and three down arrow symbols”, “Oh Bella Ciao, Bella Ciao, Ciao, Ciao, Ciao” and “If you read this, you are gay, LMAO”.

So he’s online a lot. There’s the wikipedia article on the history of Bella Ciao.

Thank you for the excellent essay.

a conservative might believe the egghead democrats would want to kill a simple truth-teller

I’m so sad that this is true. Not only did Musk himself tweet “The Left is the party of murder,” but various random accounts have called Democrats responsible by demonizing conservatives as fascists and Nazis… which would only be demonization if the people accused weren’t spouting Nazi/fascist talking points. Further, we’ve no idea what percentage of the random accounts are bots or actual humans – but surely the volume of hate will sway too many conservatives to become increasingly hostile.

Minor quibble:

it is extraordinarily difficult to hit a person-sized target at all from this distance

I disagree. It’d be hard with a pistol or AR-15 style weapon, but this was an old style bolt action hunting rifle. I haven’t seen a report saying it had a scope, but that’s how you’d generally set it up. If you hunt, you practice hitting much smaller targets (deer heart, etc.) at that distance, and may well actually hunt well beyond that range. Also, the guy missed. You don’t aim for the neck. He probably aimed for the head, but possibly the chest, and had his shot miss his target.

I’m hoping this push to make Kirk an angelic martyr of the Trump movement is forgotten as quickly and Kirk resumes his rightful place in obscurity.

Same here. Perhaps tomorrow we can remind people that we still want to release the Epstein files.

the goal for me is co-operation

I asked a sincere question and you reply with snark. I don’t know why you commented when you weren’t willing to advance the discussion. You failed at your goal.

I don’t care for individual greatness and competition

That’s sweet, but it has nothing to do with the topic. It also doesn’t help you any when you need to punch a Nazi. I was talking about the government paying civilians to work for the common good (irrigation, bridges, etc.) and a population with a high standard of living. For whatever internal reason, it seems you decided to thrust imperialism into the definition of “great” – or redefine the word to mean something outside its definition, like “nice”.

Know what’s great? Great White Sharks are great. They aren’t the whitest or largest, but they are the biggest of the commonly seen ass-kicking sharks. Know what’s not great? The Little Blue Heron – but it is much bluer than the Great Blue Heron.

Well then the Roman Empire could never have been Great, nor the Greek, Persian, Ottoman, Chinese and various dynasties therein. Cleopatra wasn’t Egyptian. She and her lineage of rulers were greek conquerors subjugating the locals, if you want to look at it that way. You are denying all of South America the right to ever claim greatness.

I think I made it clear in my post that we all know there’s a history full of problems, so you seem to be trying to redefine terms without making any argument about the current case. Per the OED there are 85 definitions for “great”. Why skip the intended usage (powerful/eminent) for an informal meaning (good)?

The U.S. used to be known for high literacy, excellent schools k-college, high standard of living, countless innovations in sciences from health care to airplanes, and a presumption that you could improve your position in society rather than being confined to a class. All that sort of stuff combined is what I think of when the idea of U.S. greatness comes up.

I think I covered that with my introductory sentence. The post-war boom had to be from more than isolation or we’d expect Mexico and Canada to be rivaling the U.S. for (now falling) dominance.

I hate everything about this because even as a kid, the big problem with mass transit was not enough routes and times to get where you wanted. Want to see a live show a town away? You could get there by bus, but the route stopped service around 8pm so you couldn’t get home. Want to get from one suburb to another? Two hours and three routes by mass transit or 20 minutes by car.

I would have loved to live car-less, but the continuous slashing of U.S. mass transit has made it increasingly impossible to do.

This reminds me of a post a year ago about orb weaver Araneus ventricosus also using fireflies as bait. I thought this would be a follow-up, but they’re talking about a different species here.

I see a duck demanding peas. Tasty rolly green peas.

descriptive summarization?

You are absolutely correct. It took time for the evidence to be reviewed, accepted, and for the new consensus to be codified. Mostly, I wanted to let folks know the headline was a bit click-baity and give some examples of how we got here. I wish we were wired to get the same excitement from titles like, “Zoologists agree: Giraffe are four species – not just one!” with an article that gives more credit to all the research.

I thought we already knew this. A quick search found this from 2018: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6206193/

All giraffe (Giraffa) were previously assigned to a single species (G. camelopardalis) and nine subspecies. However, multi‐locus analyses of all subspecies have shown that there are four genetically distinct clades and suggest four giraffe species. This conclusion might not be fully accepted due to limited data and lack of explicit gene flow analyses. Here, we present an extended study based on 21 independent nuclear loci from 137 individuals. Explicit gene flow analyses identify less than one migrant per generation, including between the closely related northern and reticulated giraffe. Thus, gene flow analyses and population genetics of the extended dataset confirm four genetically distinct giraffe clades and support four independent giraffe species. The new findings support a revision of the IUCN classification of giraffe taxonomy. Three of the four species are threatened with extinction, and mostly occurring in politically unstable regions, and as such, require the highest conservation support possible.

Edit: this 2021 report has a nice image:

Kudos! I no longer have to deal with any of that, but I appreciate it’s been a problem and am glad you took action. Thank you!