• And people complain about doomers. We can’t even get out of coal and we are talking “first world” nations. How the heck are we going to get off oil and further on natural gas. The fact that coal was not ended by 2000 much less 2020 and looks like 2030 is doubtful, its just crazypants.

      • Its really not for most doomers. There are some that say fuck it but most I know what to do everything they can with the realization that its not going to stop the bad effects (given they are very obviously already happening) or even save us but its obvious things can be better or worse and lets have it as better as it can be.