Black and white cartoon.  Left panel: a group blocks a road with a banner reading "No new oil | so there's a liveable planet for our children."  Right panel: A boardroom, with members of the board raising their hands.  In front of them is a chart showing planned oil extraction going well above a dashed line marked "Level beyond which there will be no livable plant for our children.

    • In all seriousness, I can’t see how that’s realistic in anything but ideal climate if you need to maintain a professional appearance. Either you get to work as a blob of sweat and stank because it’s hot outside, or you get to work as a blob of sweat and stank because it’s cold as fucking balls and you need to have twenty layers of clothes so the outside doesn’t literally kill you in 30 seconds.

      •  Elise   ( @xilliah@beehaw.org ) 
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        310 months ago

        A lot of offices have showers for that reason. Personally I’d have an extra set of clothing and wash up at the sink and there were others doing it too. And it’s just for a few days, it’s not the end of the world.

        • Could also fix our infrastructure and invest in public transport. I’m not entirely fuck cars, but I’d definitely like to see a role reversal between public transport and personal vehicles in the US. Real investment in trains in America would be a game changer.

          •  Elise   ( @xilliah@beehaw.org ) 
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            As far as I understand it the issue in the US regarding trains is because of the history. The rails are owned by freight companies and freight trains are prioritized. Whereas in say Germany the passenger trains are prioritized. In the Netherlands subsidies are cut if trains are late more than 5% of the time IIRC.

            So ya how can you possibly make it reliable in the US this way?

            Further I also understand that in the US there is very clear zoning, such as residential, commercial and so on, whereas here residential and commercial can be mixed, so on the ground floor you typically have shops and the like.

    •  TehPers   ( @TehPers@beehaw.org ) 
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      For a lot of people in the US, the only way to work is by freeway/highway. Biking that is not an option.

      In the same places, public transit is often terrible/nonexistent/actually dangerous as well.

      It’s really an infrastructure problem, but getting people to invest more in public infrastructure is extremely difficult, and that’s ignoring the extremely inefficient spending at the government level.

      •  Elise   ( @xilliah@beehaw.org ) 
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        It’s also a chicken and egg problem. If nobody uses it there will also be no money or interest for improving it. It seems like a complex issue in the US.

        However I feel that I must add that I’m from the country side in the Netherlands, and while there is public transport here, it is almost exclusively used by students, guest workers, and asylum seekers. So even though it is available, people still prefer the convenience of their own car. I also know people who are too lazy to cycle even just 10km, and they prefer to park right in front of the store. My point is just that even when it’s there, and it’s high quality and affordable, people still tend to avoid it purely for convenience or out of laziness.

        In fact there used to be a train here over a hundred years ago, but it was removed. It seems a new one will be built soon as there is political will again from the greens.

        •  TehPers   ( @TehPers@beehaw.org ) 
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          110 months ago

          Having visited the Netherlands, I have to say it’s an incredibly beautiful country with amazing public transportation and some of the friendliest people I’ve met. I wish we could be more like that. Instead, I often find myself avoid public transportation because of how much slower it is (easily an extra hour of transportation), the fact it just doesn’t usually go to where I need to go, and the risks associated with it (stabbings, stealing, etc) :(

          • It never ceases to amaze me how different the US is from western Europe. Especially how dangerous some places seem to be. Why would someone stab you on a bus for example?

            I have to say you guys have amazing nature and I’d love to go hiking there some time.