I think it might serve it’s own niche. I heard the microblog tab makes it a bit nicer to see content from mastodon users that someone is following. so it could develop to be like a hybrid lemmy/mastodon type of tool. But I haven’t read too much into what kbin is aiming to be
Kbin is nice. It’s easy to register on kbin.social so might as well check it out, although they are possibly under DDOS attack right now. I’m on there and lemmy at the moment.
Both systems are very similar and are compatible. You can follow lemmy from kbin and vice versa. Lemmy is probably more mature, but kbin is also pretty slick and seems to be moving fast. The community on kbin.social is fairly large so you will likely find more interaction on there without having to subscribe to federated servers. That probably makes onboarding a little easier for reddit refugees. They also have a microblog feature that works like Mastodon (federated twitter alternative) so you get to use lemmy-like and mastodon-like in one app and federate with both.
The fact that kbin is written in PHP shouldn’t put anybody off. Modern PHP isn’t the same as the old stuff that earned a bad reputation. I haven’t used PHP for a long time, but my understanding is it’s now a solid stack that’s on par with other mainstream stacks.
Honestly, I joined lemmy.ml first before really taking a look at the ideals of most of that userbase and I just do not agree with a large part of what they identify with.
Bounced around to a few other instances that all seemed… Idk not the right fit. But kbin so far seems much more my style and I finally now got an account created so we’ll see how it goes.
I feel like the server owner matters more than the platform itself. Which is to say that while I’m also not a fan of how far left the lemmy devs are, I have found some lemmy communities to be more in line with my values. I imagine if lemmy grows at all we’re eventually going to see many views represented. So I think whether to use kbin or lemmy should really come down to aesthetic preferences. I personally prefer the look/feel of lemmy, but I respect anyone who prefers kbin. It’s pretty cool that we can communicate across platforms. Really shows the power of ActivityPub.
I’m curious what has turned you off here, since I’m very new. Reddit’s weirdly right wing political tilt has been turning me off for some time now, hoping that’s not the case here.
Also new, and I’m with you- reddit was always too full of right wingers for my liking. I also like this instance (lemmy.ml)and it seems to have a more left tilt, specifically when it comes to bigotry.
It’s FOSS, so fork it and host it yourself or find someone else you like who has/can do so. I don’t personally think it’s too surprising that this free (as in freedom) platform was created by and initially attracted leftists and anarchists, and even if it is, I think it matters far, far less than everyone seems to think it does.
Serious question: Since it’s a federated system that is open-source, what do their political views have to do with supporting the platform? Even if they decide to become Neo-Nazis and change it, the rest of use can continue to use the work they’ve made thus far and keep it like it is or improve on it. Our use of it doesn’t support their political aspirations either aside from their beliefs in federated social media.
They have the censorship hard coded in. Why mess with a compromised platform when there are better alternatives available that don’t include censorship and human rights violations?
I’m not that tech savvy…so please be patient. From what I can tell, the slurs are the only things that hard-coded in. Am I missing something else?
Does hard-coded mean it cannot be changed even though it’s FOSS? According to that conversation, they seem a bit concerned that the tables with the slurs can be easily removed.
I’m okay with slurs being blocked, but I guess it would depend on how they define the slurs and all that. Also, maybe it would be a better idea to remove the slur protection from the actual Fediverse and let instances apply their own version, but at the same time, I see benefit to blocking it universally. It’s not something that’s clearly black-and-white to me.
I guess that aside from their personal political views regarding marxism-leninism (I’m assuming that’s what ‘ml’ stand for), I’m confused as to how that practically affects the Fediverse. For what it’s worth, I tend to subscribe to anarcho-socialism, so while I have overlap with marxism-leninism, I’m vehemently opposed to any authoritarian/bureaucratic centralized control of an economy. Which means that I also don’t agree with their application of marxism. However, I see that as irrelevant to the Fediverse, and as far as I can tell, the Fediverse is quite decentralized anyway.
Does hard-coded mean it cannot be changed even though it’s FOSS? According to that conversation, they seem a bit concerned that the tables with the slurs can be easily removed.
No, you just need to step up and become the guy known for maintaining the slur fork of Lemmy. 😏
I do believe this was changed some time ago though. It is a setting admins can change without compiling from source.
Must be traumatic to have your worldview questioned for the first time. They’ve been fed anti-communists propaganda from birth and are now trying to avert their eyes, lol. Reminds me of evangelicals when they encounter “satanic” media.
Are you suggesting that there are no valid criticisms of communism, and then removing the agency of anyone who suggests otherwise? I’m genuinely curious as a socdem who likes a lot of liberal ideas.
I’m suggesting this is cult-like behavior, yes. People (especially communists) criticize various Marxist thinkers as well as the positions of communist parties all the time. Of course I don’t every criticism is invalid. As far as I can tell, they’re barely even doing any criticizing in the linked thread, they’re just going “tankie warning!!! do not hang out with these people!!!”.
lol they’re going to reconsider their antipathy for reddit when they show up here and don’t have the entire reddit “policy” department putting their thumbs on the scales
I mean it’s easier to develop new features when you’re using a language like PHP. I love Rust but it’s going to be laughable at how slow they will move new features out compared to other platforms unless they can get a ton of more developer volunteer support (and way less people know Rust to begin with).
Better profiles, followers, better community customization, better embeds, I can keep going on. Yeah, Reddit has a ton of stupid features that nobody asked for but it also has a lot of things that are very good for everyone. Obviously we’re still in the early days but they’re already running into issues (they are just finishing ripping out all the websockets and chat server stuff, which was one of the big things slowing down instances)
Is there any advantages to kbin over lemmy? php seems like a much worse tech stack for no benefit.
I think it might serve it’s own niche. I heard the microblog tab makes it a bit nicer to see content from mastodon users that someone is following. so it could develop to be like a hybrid lemmy/mastodon type of tool. But I haven’t read too much into what kbin is aiming to be
Kbin is nice. It’s easy to register on kbin.social so might as well check it out, although they are possibly under DDOS attack right now. I’m on there and lemmy at the moment.
Both systems are very similar and are compatible. You can follow lemmy from kbin and vice versa. Lemmy is probably more mature, but kbin is also pretty slick and seems to be moving fast. The community on kbin.social is fairly large so you will likely find more interaction on there without having to subscribe to federated servers. That probably makes onboarding a little easier for reddit refugees. They also have a microblog feature that works like Mastodon (federated twitter alternative) so you get to use lemmy-like and mastodon-like in one app and federate with both.
The fact that kbin is written in PHP shouldn’t put anybody off. Modern PHP isn’t the same as the old stuff that earned a bad reputation. I haven’t used PHP for a long time, but my understanding is it’s now a solid stack that’s on par with other mainstream stacks.
You can follow people on kbin, can’t follow them on Lemmy “because it would require an overhaul”
Honestly, I joined lemmy.ml first before really taking a look at the ideals of most of that userbase and I just do not agree with a large part of what they identify with.
Bounced around to a few other instances that all seemed… Idk not the right fit. But kbin so far seems much more my style and I finally now got an account created so we’ll see how it goes.
I feel like the server owner matters more than the platform itself. Which is to say that while I’m also not a fan of how far left the lemmy devs are, I have found some lemmy communities to be more in line with my values. I imagine if lemmy grows at all we’re eventually going to see many views represented. So I think whether to use kbin or lemmy should really come down to aesthetic preferences. I personally prefer the look/feel of lemmy, but I respect anyone who prefers kbin. It’s pretty cool that we can communicate across platforms. Really shows the power of ActivityPub.
I’m curious what has turned you off here, since I’m very new. Reddit’s weirdly right wing political tilt has been turning me off for some time now, hoping that’s not the case here.
Also new, and I’m with you- reddit was always too full of right wingers for my liking. I also like this instance (lemmy.ml)and it seems to have a more left tilt, specifically when it comes to bigotry.
Why even bring up politics?
@communist
It looks like the Lemmy devs might have some IRL issues.
https://reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/143o5xd/reconsidering_my_support_for_lemmy/
those are the admins of one instance. if you don’t like them, you can join another or create your own
The admins of one instance and the devs of the whole platform
It’s FOSS, so fork it and host it yourself or find someone else you like who has/can do so. I don’t personally think it’s too surprising that this free (as in freedom) platform was created by and initially attracted leftists and anarchists, and even if it is, I think it matters far, far less than everyone seems to think it does.
Serious question: Since it’s a federated system that is open-source, what do their political views have to do with supporting the platform? Even if they decide to become Neo-Nazis and change it, the rest of use can continue to use the work they’ve made thus far and keep it like it is or improve on it. Our use of it doesn’t support their political aspirations either aside from their beliefs in federated social media.
They have the censorship hard coded in. Why mess with a compromised platform when there are better alternatives available that don’t include censorship and human rights violations?
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622
You think lemmy “includes human rights violations?” What does that mean? Also, read the entire page you keep linking to. Slur filtering is optional.
I’m not that tech savvy…so please be patient. From what I can tell, the slurs are the only things that hard-coded in. Am I missing something else?
Does hard-coded mean it cannot be changed even though it’s FOSS? According to that conversation, they seem a bit concerned that the tables with the slurs can be easily removed.
I’m okay with slurs being blocked, but I guess it would depend on how they define the slurs and all that. Also, maybe it would be a better idea to remove the slur protection from the actual Fediverse and let instances apply their own version, but at the same time, I see benefit to blocking it universally. It’s not something that’s clearly black-and-white to me.
I guess that aside from their personal political views regarding marxism-leninism (I’m assuming that’s what ‘ml’ stand for), I’m confused as to how that practically affects the Fediverse. For what it’s worth, I tend to subscribe to anarcho-socialism, so while I have overlap with marxism-leninism, I’m vehemently opposed to any authoritarian/bureaucratic centralized control of an economy. Which means that I also don’t agree with their application of marxism. However, I see that as irrelevant to the Fediverse, and as far as I can tell, the Fediverse is quite decentralized anyway.
No, you just need to step up and become the guy known for maintaining the slur fork of Lemmy. 😏
I do believe this was changed some time ago though. It is a setting admins can change without compiling from source.
Not if they’ve hard coded their censorship into the platform.
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622
That hasn’t been the case for a while now. It also never truly mattered, the code is available for you to modify.
Really mad that I can’t say my favourite slurs on lemmy. Where can I be racist now?
Must be traumatic to have your worldview questioned for the first time. They’ve been fed anti-communists propaganda from birth and are now trying to avert their eyes, lol. Reminds me of evangelicals when they encounter “satanic” media.
Are you suggesting that there are no valid criticisms of communism, and then removing the agency of anyone who suggests otherwise? I’m genuinely curious as a socdem who likes a lot of liberal ideas.
I’m suggesting this is cult-like behavior, yes. People (especially communists) criticize various Marxist thinkers as well as the positions of communist parties all the time. Of course I don’t every criticism is invalid. As far as I can tell, they’re barely even doing any criticizing in the linked thread, they’re just going “tankie warning!!! do not hang out with these people!!!”.
I’m happy to say that wasn’t the response I was expecting, but now I’m not sure what to do with my tankie pitchfork.
holy sh!t, this single thread was better than entire /r subs I have seen :-)
lol they’re going to reconsider their antipathy for reddit when they show up here and don’t have the entire reddit “policy” department putting their thumbs on the scales
https://www.mintpressnews.com/jessica-ashooh-reddit-national-security-state-plant/277639/
I mean it’s easier to develop new features when you’re using a language like PHP. I love Rust but it’s going to be laughable at how slow they will move new features out compared to other platforms unless they can get a ton of more developer volunteer support (and way less people know Rust to begin with).
How many new features are there really to add?
I’d rather them be made in a much more solid language than having them fast.
Better profiles, followers, better community customization, better embeds, I can keep going on. Yeah, Reddit has a ton of stupid features that nobody asked for but it also has a lot of things that are very good for everyone. Obviously we’re still in the early days but they’re already running into issues (they are just finishing ripping out all the websockets and chat server stuff, which was one of the big things slowing down instances)
Okay, those aren’t really examples, because they don’t say what’s wrong, you’re just saying “better”
Better how?