As long as sex work has existed, so have efforts to end it. John Oliver explains why criminalizing the trade hasn’t helped the most vulnerable people involve...
it’s so unfortunate that sex work currently has both a lot of people categorically opposed to it, but also a lot of people who support it still advocate for/defer to a poor model of it (the nordic model)–a very uphill fight indeed. i do think oliver hits on a pretty good rhetorical point in here to raise in discussions with people you’re trying to win over: how weird it is that doing sex for money on camera generally is seen as distinct from doing sex for money off camera, even though that’s effectively an arbitrary legal and moral distinction to make. you can’t even point to an obvious difference between the two that justifies the distinction, and yet one is generally legal and the other isn’t. (and i think it’s pretty clear most people are not clamoring for a ban on pornography, so i doubt you’ll influence them in the wrong direction by bringing this up.)
how weird it is that doing sex for money on camera generally is seen as distinct from doing sex for money off camera, even though that’s effectively an arbitrary legal and moral distinction to make. you can’t even point to an obvious difference between the two that justifies the distinction
This is just obtuse - sex on camera isn’t done for the gratification of the participants. None of the people engaged in the sexual act is paying to get off.
This is just obtuse - sex on camera isn’t done for the gratification of the participants.
…have you talked to any person who has sex on camera? i would venture to guess that at least a supermajority of them do it at least partially for the reasons you describe. i’m also pretty sure most people do not or would not find “getting paid to have sex on camera” an undesirable profession to have.
I like how you conveniently ignored the second sentence in my comment.
yes: because it’s wrong, unless you think absolutely nobody pays for porn (and that most people don’t accordingly do porn because they are being paid to engage in an on-camera sexual behavior). you are making a distinction in the causal actions that lead to the creation of most on-camera sexual acts and the causal actions that lead to most sex work being done, when there practically isn’t one. both are being done as a voluntary exchange of services and/or goods between consenting people.
it’s so unfortunate that sex work currently has both a lot of people categorically opposed to it, but also a lot of people who support it still advocate for/defer to a poor model of it (the nordic model)–a very uphill fight indeed. i do think oliver hits on a pretty good rhetorical point in here to raise in discussions with people you’re trying to win over: how weird it is that doing sex for money on camera generally is seen as distinct from doing sex for money off camera, even though that’s effectively an arbitrary legal and moral distinction to make. you can’t even point to an obvious difference between the two that justifies the distinction, and yet one is generally legal and the other isn’t. (and i think it’s pretty clear most people are not clamoring for a ban on pornography, so i doubt you’ll influence them in the wrong direction by bringing this up.)
This is just obtuse - sex on camera isn’t done for the gratification of the participants. None of the people engaged in the sexual act is paying to get off.
…have you talked to any person who has sex on camera? i would venture to guess that at least a supermajority of them do it at least partially for the reasons you describe. i’m also pretty sure most people do not or would not find “getting paid to have sex on camera” an undesirable profession to have.
I like how you conveniently ignored the second sentence in my comment.
yes: because it’s wrong, unless you think absolutely nobody pays for porn (and that most people don’t accordingly do porn because they are being paid to engage in an on-camera sexual behavior). you are making a distinction in the causal actions that lead to the creation of most on-camera sexual acts and the causal actions that lead to most sex work being done, when there practically isn’t one. both are being done as a voluntary exchange of services and/or goods between consenting people.
Again - you’re being deliberately obtuse. I’m not going to converse with someone who is so determined to ignore my substantive point.
That’s the second sentence that you are referring to, right?
Please, reiterate the point you are trying to make.