Using the flag of the UK… on campaign material for a UK political party? Jaysus lads, what were they thinking?!
Unless it’s used in a jingoistic way (think wrapped around a 19th century military figure that has their boots on the backs of the poor whilst proclaiming Britons never never shall be slaves type of thing) then I really don’t get why Labour party members are in fighting about such a thing instead of concentrating on winning a thumping majority.
I think the electorate is smart enough to understand this.
I think maintaining your values is important. Especially when so many have been eroded in the name of winning a thinking majority. Labour hasn’t been a flag waving party since World War 2. In fact that kinda stuff has been left to the likes of the Farage’s.
Harm would potentially be. Huge number of people who associate it with nationalism.
Parties like BNP EDL etc have given the idea a bad taste. Add the negativity that the “Soverienty” crap during brexit caused. Means there is a sizable % of voters. Seeing its use in political ads as negative.
Given the tory party media seems to be selecting articles designed to reduce labour turn out. I imagine many labour MPs are thinking why the hell help them.
The thing is, Labour has been the home traditionally of people of colour. Unfortunately the same people that wave flags often tell those people of colour to go home. Now you’re saying they should be made to feel unwelcome in order to capture people that at the very least, align with racists?
As a different flag waving Labour PM once said, ‘There’s only one Labour tradition I never liked: losing’.
Labour’s values are British values, and vice-versa. I’m not saying this in a jingoistic way, but our particular form of social democracy is a part of how we see ourselves as a country, and Labour is obviously a part of that. There’s no harm in saying we like this country and no possible good can come from pretending we don’t.
Anyway, if flag-waving was something Labour was doing as far back as World War 2, I’d say that in itself makes it pretty traditional.
Using the flag of the UK… on campaign material for a UK political party? Jaysus lads, what were they thinking?!
Unless it’s used in a jingoistic way (think wrapped around a 19th century military figure that has their boots on the backs of the poor whilst proclaiming Britons never never shall be slaves type of thing) then I really don’t get why Labour party members are in fighting about such a thing instead of concentrating on winning a thumping majority.
I think the electorate is smart enough to understand this.
I think maintaining your values is important. Especially when so many have been eroded in the name of winning a thinking majority. Labour hasn’t been a flag waving party since World War 2. In fact that kinda stuff has been left to the likes of the Farage’s.
Maybe waving the flag a bit more would have helped capture those people that don’t think beyond it? Does no harm, surely?
Harm would potentially be. Huge number of people who associate it with nationalism.
Parties like BNP EDL etc have given the idea a bad taste. Add the negativity that the “Soverienty” crap during brexit caused. Means there is a sizable % of voters. Seeing its use in political ads as negative.
Given the tory party media seems to be selecting articles designed to reduce labour turn out. I imagine many labour MPs are thinking why the hell help them.
The thing is, Labour has been the home traditionally of people of colour. Unfortunately the same people that wave flags often tell those people of colour to go home. Now you’re saying they should be made to feel unwelcome in order to capture people that at the very least, align with racists?
As a different flag waving Labour PM once said, ‘There’s only one Labour tradition I never liked: losing’.
Labour’s values are British values, and vice-versa. I’m not saying this in a jingoistic way, but our particular form of social democracy is a part of how we see ourselves as a country, and Labour is obviously a part of that. There’s no harm in saying we like this country and no possible good can come from pretending we don’t.
Anyway, if flag-waving was something Labour was doing as far back as World War 2, I’d say that in itself makes it pretty traditional.