The second thread just covers left minarchy. Not much to say about that other than that it considers the idea of cooperating with right-minarchy and right-libertarians on minimizing government which I think is a BAD IDEA. But basically it just says yeah, there is such a thing as left minarchy and it’s basically what left libertarian, dem socs, etc are. Lists some examples even listing the Green Party.
I don’t have a lot of experience reading Logan Marie Glitterbomb, but I’ve read a bunch of Kevin Carson’s C4SS, and their focus seems to be integrating early American anti-government entrepreneurs like Lysander Spooner into the ‘Anarchist canon’ and this article seems no different. Calling Bernie Sanders and AOC ‘minarchist’ seems like intentional language abuse.
The authors’ interpretation of minarchist includes Social Democrats and state socialists. In the context of the article, minarchism is a good thing, and an umbrella term that includes people on both the left and the right. I don’t see Chomsky included here, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s included also in the author’s mind, given how broadly she defines the term.
I agree with your summary – both that it’s a plea to work with capitalists that want to slash the welfare functions of the state, and that it’s a bad idea to ally with them.
Given the rhetorical purpose of the article, I don’t think it’s a reputable source for defining ‘left minarchism’ if such a thing existed, and I wouldn’t be surprised if we’re on the same page on this.
Ok maybe I just need to be a bit more author skeptical on these loosely moderated libraries. I’ve encountered the same problem on Marxist Internet Archive.
Have you also experienced though the general impression on the internet that Chomsky-anarchism is a watered down anarchism? When i learned about it I got the impression “oh anarchism is actually more of an ethic of toppling unjust power structures and organizing horizontally” but if you go online to anarchist places and you aren’t full on in belief you can live without state you aren’t an anarchist. And I do think we likely do need a constitution, some kind of law enforcement, some kind of military or militia, and a system of equitable ownership and rationing of resources. Just NOT the one we have now. And not the one Marxist Leninists want.
Anarchism is old, and the internet is new. Younger people’s views on the subject are severely over-represented on internet forums, and lack the experience and gravitas of a longer life of living anarchism.
Anarchism is both a theory and a practice, and while I don’t agree with Chomsky on all counts, I deeply respect his practice of the philosophy throughout his life. He was a champion of anarchism at a time when it was even more unpopular and repressed, and his tireless advocacy had given it stronger roots that bear fruit to this day.
I wouldn’t say that Chomsky-anarchism is watered down; only that Chomsky saw anarchism not as a terminal goal, but a means to end war, poverty, and systemic injustice. Defining specifically and succinctly what that anarchism looks like takes a back seat to identifying and critiquing the systems of control and power that were obstacles to those terminal goals. It’s very easy to determine what anarchism is not from Chomsky’s corpus; but it will leave you unsatisfied if you’re looking for someone to describe exactly what is the perfect Anarchism. I don’t think Chomsky was wrong in his focus.
I don’t mean to denigrate anarchists that only seem to exist on the internet, what is theory today may be practice tomorrow. But it’s helpful to study lives, societies, and groups that are practicing anarchist ideas and doing anarchist work.
Anarchists during the French Commune, Spanish Civil War or the Russian Revolution formed militia, rationed resources, distributed land. They built mutual agreements similar to constitutions, and created incentives to keep those agreements. They created laws by popular assembly, and enforced those laws. They made a lot of mistakes we can learn from, but it was the overwhelming forces that opposed them rather than the flaws in their beliefs that doomed their movements.
The lesson I think you’re picking up is that they’re a lot of diversity in Anarchist thought, and no single authority on what is or isn’t anarchist. While enforcing the ontological boundaries of anarchism isn’t a worthless endeavor, living anarchism is much more difficult and meritorious. You could pick a much worse model than Noam Chomsky.
The second thread just covers left minarchy. Not much to say about that other than that it considers the idea of cooperating with right-minarchy and right-libertarians on minimizing government which I think is a BAD IDEA. But basically it just says yeah, there is such a thing as left minarchy and it’s basically what left libertarian, dem socs, etc are. Lists some examples even listing the Green Party.
I don’t have a lot of experience reading Logan Marie Glitterbomb, but I’ve read a bunch of Kevin Carson’s C4SS, and their focus seems to be integrating early American anti-government entrepreneurs like Lysander Spooner into the ‘Anarchist canon’ and this article seems no different. Calling Bernie Sanders and AOC ‘minarchist’ seems like intentional language abuse.
The authors’ interpretation of minarchist includes Social Democrats and state socialists. In the context of the article, minarchism is a good thing, and an umbrella term that includes people on both the left and the right. I don’t see Chomsky included here, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s included also in the author’s mind, given how broadly she defines the term.
I agree with your summary – both that it’s a plea to work with capitalists that want to slash the welfare functions of the state, and that it’s a bad idea to ally with them.
Given the rhetorical purpose of the article, I don’t think it’s a reputable source for defining ‘left minarchism’ if such a thing existed, and I wouldn’t be surprised if we’re on the same page on this.
Ok maybe I just need to be a bit more author skeptical on these loosely moderated libraries. I’ve encountered the same problem on Marxist Internet Archive.
Have you also experienced though the general impression on the internet that Chomsky-anarchism is a watered down anarchism? When i learned about it I got the impression “oh anarchism is actually more of an ethic of toppling unjust power structures and organizing horizontally” but if you go online to anarchist places and you aren’t full on in belief you can live without state you aren’t an anarchist. And I do think we likely do need a constitution, some kind of law enforcement, some kind of military or militia, and a system of equitable ownership and rationing of resources. Just NOT the one we have now. And not the one Marxist Leninists want.
Anarchism is old, and the internet is new. Younger people’s views on the subject are severely over-represented on internet forums, and lack the experience and gravitas of a longer life of living anarchism.
Anarchism is both a theory and a practice, and while I don’t agree with Chomsky on all counts, I deeply respect his practice of the philosophy throughout his life. He was a champion of anarchism at a time when it was even more unpopular and repressed, and his tireless advocacy had given it stronger roots that bear fruit to this day.
I wouldn’t say that Chomsky-anarchism is watered down; only that Chomsky saw anarchism not as a terminal goal, but a means to end war, poverty, and systemic injustice. Defining specifically and succinctly what that anarchism looks like takes a back seat to identifying and critiquing the systems of control and power that were obstacles to those terminal goals. It’s very easy to determine what anarchism is not from Chomsky’s corpus; but it will leave you unsatisfied if you’re looking for someone to describe exactly what is the perfect Anarchism. I don’t think Chomsky was wrong in his focus.
I don’t mean to denigrate anarchists that only seem to exist on the internet, what is theory today may be practice tomorrow. But it’s helpful to study lives, societies, and groups that are practicing anarchist ideas and doing anarchist work.
Anarchists during the French Commune, Spanish Civil War or the Russian Revolution formed militia, rationed resources, distributed land. They built mutual agreements similar to constitutions, and created incentives to keep those agreements. They created laws by popular assembly, and enforced those laws. They made a lot of mistakes we can learn from, but it was the overwhelming forces that opposed them rather than the flaws in their beliefs that doomed their movements.
The lesson I think you’re picking up is that they’re a lot of diversity in Anarchist thought, and no single authority on what is or isn’t anarchist. While enforcing the ontological boundaries of anarchism isn’t a worthless endeavor, living anarchism is much more difficult and meritorious. You could pick a much worse model than Noam Chomsky.