Yelling “fire!!!” in a crowded theater or “bomb!”/“gun!” At a crowded concert where people can be trampled to death or vigilantes carrying can start getting trigger happy with any “suspicious” behavior is cool with you? Those folks should see consequences.
This action from YouTube is consequence after the fact, same as those situations. It should be regulated carefully, but there is a line where you are actively putting lives at risk. We agree to uphold that subjective standard collectively - that’s what a society is.
Yelling fire in a theater isn’t actually illegal, contrary to common belief. It’s a flawed paraphrasing of a 1969 Supreme Court ruling, Brandenburg v. Ohio, which held that speech which would be likely to incite imminent lawless action, such as a riot, is not protected under the First Amendment. Now if someone was injured due to a stampede they could and should be held liable, but the speech itself is not illegal.
To your second example, if some idiot started shooting because someone yelled “gun” or “bomb” they would be charged with murder / manslaughter, or at the very least reckless use of a firearm, and lose their right to carry.
I’m not opposed to removing videos that advocate violence, but I don’t think this video falls under that category.
You mean like local governments and jurisdictions passing laws to prevent harmful speech like “fire” in a theater? There is over 100 years of history of laws being passed to prevent harmful speech. You don’t get to say something that harms people any more than you get to smoke a cigarette right next to me.
Your interpretation is incorrect as it my earlier link, there are clear local jurisdiction examples of laws that have been passed over the last 100 years to prevent this type of harmful speech. What is the purpose of government but to protect citizens from harm? There is no reasonable debate amongst any credible physician or scientist with an ounce of statistical knowledge that vaccines cause autism.
I’d argue that you don’t think this video falls under that category because the violence it advocates is indirect and quiet - over a million people died from COVID in the US in the last three years. That’s over a million empty chairs around the holidays this year that would have had family in them - and these two cowardly grifters, working knowingly in bad faith for profit, actively contributed to that violent end for many of those million plus.
So to the classics…
Yelling “fire!!!” in a crowded theater or “bomb!”/“gun!” At a crowded concert where people can be trampled to death or vigilantes carrying can start getting trigger happy with any “suspicious” behavior is cool with you? Those folks should see consequences.
This action from YouTube is consequence after the fact, same as those situations. It should be regulated carefully, but there is a line where you are actively putting lives at risk. We agree to uphold that subjective standard collectively - that’s what a society is.
Yelling fire in a theater isn’t actually illegal, contrary to common belief. It’s a flawed paraphrasing of a 1969 Supreme Court ruling, Brandenburg v. Ohio, which held that speech which would be likely to incite imminent lawless action, such as a riot, is not protected under the First Amendment. Now if someone was injured due to a stampede they could and should be held liable, but the speech itself is not illegal.
To your second example, if some idiot started shooting because someone yelled “gun” or “bomb” they would be charged with murder / manslaughter, or at the very least reckless use of a firearm, and lose their right to carry.
I’m not opposed to removing videos that advocate violence, but I don’t think this video falls under that category.
The “fire in a theater” example is the most overused and misunderstood argument and I hate how people use it to argue against civil liberties.
You mean like local governments and jurisdictions passing laws to prevent harmful speech like “fire” in a theater? There is over 100 years of history of laws being passed to prevent harmful speech. You don’t get to say something that harms people any more than you get to smoke a cigarette right next to me.
No, I mean the case people are quoting was overturned. For being unconstitutional.
Your interpretation is incorrect as it my earlier link, there are clear local jurisdiction examples of laws that have been passed over the last 100 years to prevent this type of harmful speech. What is the purpose of government but to protect citizens from harm? There is no reasonable debate amongst any credible physician or scientist with an ounce of statistical knowledge that vaccines cause autism.
I’d argue that you don’t think this video falls under that category because the violence it advocates is indirect and quiet - over a million people died from COVID in the US in the last three years. That’s over a million empty chairs around the holidays this year that would have had family in them - and these two cowardly grifters, working knowingly in bad faith for profit, actively contributed to that violent end for many of those million plus.