Sadly, a lot of the QAnon types tried to co-opt the Libertarian party in the US due to being disassociated from the GOP. But those QAnon incels couldn’t be anymore non-Libertarian.
Libertarians used to be made up of people who supported bodily autonomy, legalization of various drugs, reduced government powers, etc. But have lately been infiltrated by outcasted Republicans.
Why is it that libertarianism seems to have a long history of primarily attracting white men? As a POC, libertarianism strikes me as one of the most ideologically selfish political philosophies that is the furthest thing to being conducive to solidarity. I damn sure don’t trust libertarians and I’ve seen TONS of racism in libertarian spaces/clubs online and in-person.
There’s plenty of bastard racist, sexist and transphobic libertarians out there and it’s dismissive/inaccurate to chalk them all up as QAnon types.
That’s what those on the Left would have you believe. Since anything remotely outside their party’s status quo is ignorantly called right wing. But there are multiple iterations of Libertarianism, which themselves fall within a left/right dichotomy. For example, there is Libertarian Socialism, who’s values pull largely from the Left. Then you have the more right-leaning Anarcho Capitalist. But what these varying flavors of Libertarianism have in common is mostly all are anti-state and centrist.
Libertarian Socialism has little to do with US libertarians. The term was openly stolen for the Right. The intellectual history is completely separate.
Murray Rothbard: "One gratifying aspect of our rise to some prominence is that, for the first time in my memory, we, ‘our side,’ had captured a crucial word from the enemy . . . ‘Libertarians’ . . . had long been simply a polite word for left-wing anarchists, that is for anti-private property anarchists, either of the communist or syndicalist variety. But now we had taken it over… "
@glowie@daisyKutter Anarcho Capitalist is an oximoron. You can’t separate the no-state part from the everyone must be equal in every aspect of the society part.
Are we talking anarcho-capitalist, anarchist, or some third option? Because since Ayn Rand wrote Atlas Shrugged, the meaning in the US has been a bit shakey.
While it’s true that lots of libertarians prefer Linux, the first ancap I met in an online forum was a Romanian-born Christian living in the US, was so fundamentalist that he was actively looking for a church where men and women sat on different sides of the pews, loved Microsoft, and hated Linux. He also had a habit of changing the definition of words in the middle of debates. People found him completely infuriating.
OP has nfi what a libertarian is lmfao… They’re confusing it with far right wing
Which would also be a weird claim given the state of Linux YouTube.
From where I am from libertarianism is far right wing, lmao
Sadly, a lot of the QAnon types tried to co-opt the Libertarian party in the US due to being disassociated from the GOP. But those QAnon incels couldn’t be anymore non-Libertarian.
Libertarians used to be made up of people who supported bodily autonomy, legalization of various drugs, reduced government powers, etc. But have lately been infiltrated by outcasted Republicans.
Why is it that libertarianism seems to have a long history of primarily attracting white men? As a POC, libertarianism strikes me as one of the most ideologically selfish political philosophies that is the furthest thing to being conducive to solidarity. I damn sure don’t trust libertarians and I’ve seen TONS of racism in libertarian spaces/clubs online and in-person.
There’s plenty of bastard racist, sexist and transphobic libertarians out there and it’s dismissive/inaccurate to chalk them all up as QAnon types.
As an uneducated european I thought they were closely related, can you please explain?
That’s what those on the Left would have you believe. Since anything remotely outside their party’s status quo is ignorantly called right wing. But there are multiple iterations of Libertarianism, which themselves fall within a left/right dichotomy. For example, there is Libertarian Socialism, who’s values pull largely from the Left. Then you have the more right-leaning Anarcho Capitalist. But what these varying flavors of Libertarianism have in common is mostly all are anti-state and centrist.
Libertarian Socialism has little to do with US libertarians. The term was openly stolen for the Right. The intellectual history is completely separate.
Murray Rothbard: "One gratifying aspect of our rise to some prominence is that, for the first time in my memory, we, ‘our side,’ had captured a crucial word from the enemy . . . ‘Libertarians’ . . . had long been simply a polite word for left-wing anarchists, that is for anti-private property anarchists, either of the communist or syndicalist variety. But now we had taken it over… "
@glowie @daisyKutter
Anarcho Capitalistis an oximoron. You can’t separate the no-state part from theeveryone must be equal in every aspect of the society part.So, basically centrist anti-establishment?
Are we talking anarcho-capitalist, anarchist, or some third option? Because since Ayn Rand wrote Atlas Shrugged, the meaning in the US has been a bit shakey.
For an idea of US libertarians, most people think of "A Libertarian Walks into a Bear"
While it’s true that lots of libertarians prefer Linux, the first ancap I met in an online forum was a Romanian-born Christian living in the US, was so fundamentalist that he was actively looking for a church where men and women sat on different sides of the pews, loved Microsoft, and hated Linux. He also had a habit of changing the definition of words in the middle of debates. People found him completely infuriating.
“Libertarian, librarian, same difference”