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This is a big problem. It creates the illusion that /c/cats on one particular instance is the real /c/cats.

This is the root of re-centralization and it must be pulled out.

  •  Lvxferre   ( @lvxferre@lemmy.ml ) English
    4•1 year ago

    Does anyone have an archive link for that? It’s NSFW so I can’t access without account, and I’m not creating an account in that shithole again. (I’m specially interested as it’s from r/stallmanwasright, I used to participate in that community.)

    Anyway: yes, there is a communication problem. I think that the flagship Lemmy instance and “the whole” should be called by different names; I’ve been using “lemmy.ml” and “the Lemmyverse” respectively, but that is far from ideal. And what happens is that you invite people to the Lemmyverse and they end in lemmy.ml.

    Mastodon has a similar problem.

      •  Lvxferre   ( @lvxferre@lemmy.ml ) English
        9•1 year ago

        Sorry, I edited my comment in the meantime. (Fixing broken grammar, linking the archives, stuff like this.) That said:

        Then Lemmy is going to just beat repeat of voat

        Not really. Even in worst case scenario (everyone migrates to a single instance), lemmy.ml is considerably wider in scope and userbase than the socially rejected in Voat.

        And, while I do agree with you that there is a communication problem, and that it needs to be addressed, it is far from the worst case scenario. For example I consistently see here people from beehaw, lemmy.world, fedddit.de, and other instances.

        Why is /c/ federation disabled by default.

        Federation happens between instances, not between communities. You can access any community from a federated instance.

        If federation is disabled by default (is it?), I think that this might have to do with spam and bot prevention. I’m not sure however.

        Now, off-topic:

        While I get that spending time in Reddit made us people behave less like decent human beings and more like dumbarses/redditors/morons, even then I think that we should watch out to not behave as such outside Reddit. Let its stupidity culture die with it.

        From your comment, three things caught my attention:

        • assuming that things that you don’t understand “make no sense”.
        • lack of insight - why are you giving views to that shithole?
        • decontextualisation - ipsis ungulis “Then read it locally with libreddit”, letting the reader to guess what you’re referring to. (I got it, but someone else 2m later won’t).

        Please, don’t.

      •  snorkbubs   ( @snorkbubs@fedia.io ) 
        2•1 year ago

        That’s really interesting about the archive; it’s surprisingly small. They must have combined repeated comments, which means there are about a dozen in total, along with some recycled Facebook memes. Now that I think about it, 2TB might be too big! …I’m joking ;)

        Just want to note that Voat was a right-wing hellhole by this point, and the vibe here is extremely different. I’d pulled out of Voat within a week, because the writing was on the wall; big wall, big writing. I’m curious what is making you feel that the Fediverse will be like Voat, because I’m not seeing it. I’m still new here, but it was really obvious on Voat, just a week in.

        Now you have me worried that Reddit, in recent years, moved my Overton Window so far right that it no longer sticks out. Oh no.

        •  interdimensionalmeme   ( @interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml ) OP
          2•1 year ago

          The current design apparently depends on the ceaseless efforts of atlas-type unpaid volunteers with ultimate and unaccountable moderation powers and a “decentralized” system that heavily favour the biggest community on the biggest instance.

          That plus a lot of hope. Just so much hope for the system to somehow not go in the direction of the gravity toward which it is built.

          Lemmy is built with federation as an afterthought, decentralization as something to be overcome.