I don’t have much of a problem either way as I don’t think I’ll be engaging in political discussion on this website past this post but it seems like any sort of non-left wing opinions or posts are immediately trashed on here. That’s fine. There’s clearly a more liberal audience here and that’s okay. I just don’t want Lemmy to become a echo chamber for any side and it seems to be that way when it comes to politics already.
Mostly making this post just to drum up discussion as I’m new here.
Edit: Thanks for the rational replies. I was expecting to get lit up for even mentioning this topic lol.
This is the trouble I have with conservative thinking now. Even here in the UK, where our Conservatives aren’t as bad as the Republicans in the US (yet), I’m at a place where I can no longer offer the benefit of the doubt to rightwing policies, because now they only seem to exist to make life hard for marginalised people. I can’t point at a single member of our government who supports what they’re doing because it’s what they genuinely believe to be the right thing to do. They’re all interested in how it can enrich them, and they’ll worry about the morality later.
I mean, say what you like about Margaret Thatcher (and believe me, I do), at least she seemed to actually believe in the policies she pushed through. She had an ideology, and was given room to try it out. And it worked. For her and her rich buddies.
But these days it just seems to be hatred and fear for the sake of riling up the proles because it keeps them in power. The power is the goal, not the governance.
People forget that Thatcher was a greengrocer’s daughter too rather than a product of the Eton to Oxbridge to Parliament pipeline of privilege. In my opinion Thatcherism was like a doctor giving a near-lethal dose of chemotherapy to a patient with a broken leg but at least it was done with the intention of helping the patient, I feel the present incarnation of Tories have known since Brexit that they’re bound for a decade out of power and just want to behave as much like Russian kleptocrats as they can get away with before the election next year.
I don’t mean the Russian kleptocrat line ironically either, Boris Johnson literally put the son of one into the House of Lords as the Baron of fucking Siberia. You can’t make this up.
While I may just not be well enough informed, I’m pretty sure Ben Wallace sincerely believes that providing support for Ukraine to repel the Russian invasion is in the best long-term interests of the UK (whether you personally agree with him that it does or not.)
I do agree that most of the members of recent UK government’s have been largely preoccupied with projects that directly benefit them (or people funding them) at the cost of the nation and the world and anything other than their own personal self-interests.
It’s worth trying to be aware of the areas where that isn’t the case as best as possible. If nothing else as important practise for trying to pick out the few buried nuggets of good from the next government…
Very well said. It’s also always helpful to focus on specific examples or - if you want to generalize - on particular studies or election results or whatever. Broad assertions are often too broad to be useful (he said, asserting broadly lol).
I often struggle with ideology itself. I consider myself apolitical, so when I refer to “conservative” communities, I’m not referring to extreme individuals on either the left or right side. Essentially, I am seeking people who are pragmatic and realistic. These are individuals who prioritize double-blind peer-reviewed scientific studies over personal emotions or desires regarding how they wish the world would be. Ideologists tend to surround themselves with like-minded people, creating an echo chamber, and disregard reality in order to support their preferred narrative. They are unwavering in their beliefs, treating them almost like religious dogma. Consequently, policies based on these false narratives can have detrimental effects on those who don’t subscribe to those beliefs.