Too many tankies. All of them saying people shouldn’t vote, while offering no solution and celebrating Russia as a good country.

  • t3rmit3 ( t3rmit3@beehaw.org ) 
    4·
    5 hours ago

    No, and my other comment below addressed this, so I’ll copy the relevant portions:

    When you’re talking about toxicity, there are a couple different areas that manifests in written content. One is toxic behavior, i.e. how you convey your ideas, and another is what you say, i.e. the ideas themselves.

    Moderating out toxic behavior is much easier, in that someone being actively rude or advocating direct harm or prejudice is often fairly cut-and-dry. Moderating out toxic beliefs is much harder, because that requires setting a baseline of what constitute a toxic belief in the first place (and even beyond that, an unacceptable to express toxic belief).

    Nazism and other rightwing “belief systems” have harming others at the core of their structures. As misguided as it is, Marxist-Leninism doesn’t. I think that’s at least a clear enough line to draw in my mind for why they merit different treatment.

    Your hypothetical kind of proves my point, even, because what hypothetical username would be the tankie equivalent of

    CW

    “jewgasser”

    ?

    • A_be_seedy ( A_be_seedy@beehaw.org ) OP
      1·
      6 hours ago

      Here’s a commonly cited wiki site on Lemmy.ml and its about page:

      https://web.archive.org/web/20220805151259/https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/ProleWiki:Principles

      The moderation and userbase celebrates Putin due to his defiance of NATO. Of course, theyre not consistent in their beliefs, because if they felt NATO was such a threat, then they would be celebrating Trump for doing more to hurt NATO than any other individual in NATO’s history.

      • t3rmit3 ( t3rmit3@beehaw.org ) 
        2·
        6 hours ago

        That did not address my question. I don’t like Putin; he is attacking Ukraine. I don’t like Biden; he supplied Israel’s genocide of Palestinians. Neither of them are intrinsic to their respective ideologies.

        Of course, theyre not consistent in their beliefs, because if they felt NATO was such a threat, then they would be celebrating Trump for doing more to hurt NATO than any other individual in NATO’s history.

        This is a silly argument. Trump is not hurting NATO because he believes it’s a Western Imperialism power projection tool like they do, he’s hurting it because it did not kowtow to his demands. He is a capitalist authoritarian, and they’re anti-capitalist.

          • t3rmit3 ( t3rmit3@beehaw.org ) 
            1·
            6 hours ago

            If NATO kowtowed to his demands it would have also been significantly weakened.

            I’m not quite sure what this is responding to either; my point was that disliking NATO because you view it as a capitalist project, and also disliking an authoritarian capitalist who wants to control it, are consistent beliefs.