• Sina ( Sina@beehaw.org ) 
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    9 hours ago

    I understand the negative sentiments, but LLMs are replacing human coding as we speak & largely have already outside of certain niche sectors. This is where we are, Valve engineers are certainly using LLMs as well. Sweeny is far worse than Gabe in everything, intelligence, political views etc, but that matters very little here. Everyone is vibecoding to a certain extent & I’m not sure what’s better, actively promoting it or trying to pretend that you are not. The industry is gravitating toward the latter, because that’s what seems to sell more for obvious reasons, but it’s just theater.

    • sbird ( scallisto@retrofed.com ) 
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      8 hours ago

      My personal opinion is that LLMs shouldn’t be used at all except for certain use cases, namely translation and processing large data sets (computers are good at repeating tasks, LLMs are no different). However, of course, some people will be using LLMs for programming. I do not and am against it, but people do what people do, however there is a difference between using it a tool and claiming that it will replace human programming. Neither is particularly amazing in my book, but almost everybody would agree that the latter is much, much worse, for jobs, the maintainability of the codebase, and user experience (broken apps are bad!)

      Epic Games are claiming to “vibe code” all their software and repeating the rhetoric of the likes of OpenAI and Anthropic. Turns out, everybody does not like it when companies ship broken software that doesn’t work at all, and boasting about it will hurt your image.

      that matters very little here

      I would imagine most people would prefer supporting someone who doesn’t donate to racists! LLMs, especially corporate ones, are typically associated with the far-right because it’s literally giving a handful of companies supreme power over your information, your code, your independent thinking, and most importantly in this case your creativity (a fascist’s wet dream).

      Also, you seem to have ignored my main points about Valve. Their monopoly is bad, we should support other third-party stores like itch.io and GOG more! You have also ignored Valve’s contribution to Linux gaming and their genuine innovation in hardware (see Steam Deck, Frame VR headset, Steam Controller 2, etc.)

      • there is a difference between using it a tool and claiming that it will replace human programming

        Yeah the difference is about 6 months of model releases.

        Seriously, you would have been totally correct 6 months ago (or if you are still using models from 6 months ago). Now… not so much.

        Remember when we all laughed when Anthropic tried to vibe code a C compiler and it was laughably broken? Yeah now they can vibe code an entire OS.

        (They should really run that C compiler test again just to show how much progress they’ve made.)

        • sbird ( scallisto@retrofed.com ) 
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          8 hours ago

          Again, you have dodged all my other points. Plus, using it as a tool (checking for bugs, running tests, that sort of stuff) and telling your staff to only vibe code software is bad!

          And it’s still not working, the Linux client for Epic Games failed spectacularly with lots of issues. The recent vibe coded replicas of Photoshop and friends have lots of bugs and crashes too (morally grey area in my book due to Adobe being an awful company, less people paying their exorbitant subscriptions is always better, but undeniably the “clones” are broken)