A new Calculus poll suggests that any gains made by the PM after Liz Truss's disastrous spell in charge have been wiped out, with Labour recording a 21 point lead as Tories turn on Rishi Sunak
  • jabjoe ( jabjoe@feddit.uk ) 
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    3 years ago

    I’m sure their solution will be to go more to the right. It is always is their answer. Which will keep harming them until a new Cameron comes round to try and detoxify them again.

    If we had a better voting system, you wouldn’t get these unstablely broad churches. We also have Parliaments always more reflective of voters wishes.

      • frazorth ( frazorth@feddit.uk ) 
        4·
        3 years ago

        You’ll never get a sensible answer from people who put down comments like this.

        Starmer would clearly be better than Sunak, but to say so would be a fundamental issue because their tribalism prevents them from saying anything nice about anyone other than their chosen flavour of Labour.

        I mean, he is calling him a Tory. Says everything really, can’t be a Socialist unless you agree with me on every point.

        • moup ( moup@lemm.ee ) 
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          3 years ago

          I mean, I’ve heard that he is more of a centrist compared to his predecessor, but what I’ve been hearing about him makes it sound like he is a plant - which I refuse to believe - but I do want to know where he stands.

          I agree with you though, I don’t think I can get a clear answer here, unfortunately.

          • frazorth ( frazorth@feddit.uk ) 
            2·
            3 years ago

            Nothing he has done makes him sound like a plant.

            Are you referring to the delisting from last week where people were doing stupid things, get delisted and then whinging about it? Liking twitter posts that say Starmer should be removed and calling him names or walking away from crucial votes? Yeah, that’s going to get you party support. They sound like idiots who shouldn’t really be politicians.

            Making factless snide remarks about the party leader, who has had his background combed through, had people in his party read through his background and still vote for him? Sound like a Tory trying to make Labour in-fight so they are less of a challenge to the Conservatives.

            • moup ( moup@lemm.ee ) 
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              3 years ago

              Not saying I’ve heard/seen him do anything that makes him look like a plant, I’ve heard people talking about him that way (sorry I badly worded that)

              Agree with what you wrote

    • thunderox ( thunderox@lemm.ee ) 
      3·
      3 years ago

      yes it’s frustrating they’ll moan and moan but when it comes to voting they’ll panic and vote for things to stay the same, although the government can only test the public so much

  • srl7070 ( srl7070@lemmy.fmhy.ml ) 
    3·
    3 years ago

    A surge to the right, further populism and eroding economic credibility.

    Their voting cohort are either pensionable and dropping off or disaffected Red wall areas needing credible alternative messaging to shift away from Tory ‘easy solutions’ (blame everything else). The former will become less relevant. The latter needs more work by labour to avoid them becoming recurring voters for the conservatives.

    The small number of true neoliberal elite and foreign actors are finding their influence curtailing for now … but for them it’s a long game. Assuming labour do get in for a couple of terms, they’ll need to use the second term for some fairly heavy reform (house of lords, rebalancing of public ownership of key utilities, full transparency on party and individual donations, limit on external jobs MPs take)

    • mannycalavera ( mannycalavera@feddit.uk ) 
      5·
      3 years ago

      Seems like surges to either the left or the right are electoral suicide for parties. Didn’t work so well for Labour in the past two elections. Hopefully a more central position gets them back into power.

      alternative messaging to shift away from Tory ‘easy solutions’ (blame everything else).

      Totally agree with this, they should listen to the messaging of, “blame the rich” / “blame the corporations” / “blame the non doms” / “blame private schools”. That will totally bring people on board without being divisive. 😐.

      Labour made cute noises about electoral reform during their conference in the summer. I haven’t heard anything about this since. It’s a shambles. They need to get behind AV instead of standing in it’s way. Represent the whole of the UK more fairly and we might see some sensible politics in this country.