- تحريرها كلها ممكن ( @PanArab@lemmy.ml ) 22•10 months ago
Palestinians live in refugee camps and don’t have a military or weapons industry, is this amount even necessary? This is good for Russia, because these weapons could have gone to Ukraine.
- Neato ( @Neato@kbin.social ) 6•10 months ago
For defense? No. For extermination? Also no but it makes it more deniable.
- massive_bereavement ( @massive_bereavement@kbin.social ) 4•10 months ago
That was the goal pushed by Iran. By putting the Russian Invasion in the background, Western support diluted and those that oppose it could do it openly while Putin’s army goes full steam ahead of their elections.
- تحريرها كلها ممكن ( @PanArab@lemmy.ml ) 4•10 months ago
Hamas is independent of Iran. Iran had no prior knowledge.
- massive_bereavement ( @massive_bereavement@kbin.social ) 3•10 months ago
This says otherwise: https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/israel%E2%80%93hamas-war-iran-updates
I mean they have solid arguments, if you can provide similar sources or provable arguments I would appreciate it.
- تحريرها كلها ممكن ( @PanArab@lemmy.ml ) 9•10 months ago
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/11/politics/us-intelligence-iran-hamas-doubt/index.html
https://www.thedailybeast.com/hamas-officials-say-iran-helped-plan-israel-attack-report-says
Iran is helping Hamas financially and perhaps in some technical aspects, and nothing is wrong with tha. But not to the point of running Hamas or having prior knowledge of their operations.
- massive_bereavement ( @massive_bereavement@kbin.social ) 1•10 months ago
You gotta read what you’ve shared: US gov said they can’t trace a direct link to Iran, though there is clear evidence of coordination: https://www.npr.org/2023/10/10/1204789074/israel-hamas-hezbollah-iran
Ties are clear: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/hamas-iran-israel-attack.html
Yes there’s no public conspiratorial evidence in the attacks, and probably even if there was nobody wants this to escalate it into a full blown war.
Your point that Hamas is independent is challenging because there are clear links and both economic and material support comes from the Republic. That said, AFAIK (and I know very little) I’ve been told that their collaboration isn’t hierarchical, so if Hamas decides to go in a blaze of glory, it could have been their own choice.
That said, while running the Syrian campaign Hamas had ties to other organization e.g. here, it seems that as the group shrank, their support base concentrated in Tehran (e.g. 1, 2).
What I refer mostly is this, while we can doubt the conclusions, the implications of Hamas being invited to Moscow, Bogdanov “unwavering support” and the common presence of certain materials made me think that even if neither Iran nor Russia had anything to do with it, they still had enough clarity given the support before the whole thing blew out.
- تحريرها كلها ممكن ( @PanArab@lemmy.ml ) 4•10 months ago
Where has the ties been proven? It is not like we are seeing Iranian generals and politicians in Gaza Strip a la with US politicians in the Israeli regime.
If you asked me, I think Iran should be doing more to help Hamas, but to suggest that they planned the attack when they too were surprised by it is absurd, and reduces the indigenous Palestinian resistance to an Iran-affiliated militia.
- massive_bereavement ( @massive_bereavement@kbin.social ) 1•10 months ago
Definitely not saying that they planned it, but that the relationship between Russia and Hamas, enabled by Iran, might had a role in enabling them to happen. My point comes mostly from here:
https://www.mei.edu/publications/essential-questions-about-russia-hamas-link-evidence-and-its-implications
(something tells me you didn’t go through my links ;) )In any case… what do I know?
- sadreality ( @sadreality@kbin.social ) 3•10 months ago
Ukraine is a small sacrifice to make for the holy war to able “better people get their land back”
- Blackout ( @Blackout@kbin.social ) 9•10 months ago
That’s over 28 pounds of weapons per Gaza resident.
- SomeGuyNamedPaul ( @SomeGuyNamedPaul@beehaw.org ) English5•10 months ago
At first I read this as USPS delivered… I guess I need more coffee and less head cold.