- const_void ( @const_void@lemmy.ml ) 79•4 months ago
This is the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever heard of. I’m not buying any keyboard or laptop that has this key. There’s enough Linux-first vendors these days that it’s easy to avoid (Framework, System76, Tuxedo, etc). It’s time to be done with Lenovo and Dell.
- palordrolap ( @palordrolap@kbin.social ) 20•4 months ago
This is the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever heard of. I’m not buying any keyboard or laptop that has this key.
Which is exactly what people said about the Windows key.
Now it’s all but impossible to buy a keyboard that doesn’t have it. Worse, most of us use it without thinking.
Sure you can call it Super if you like, and even have a Tux key-cap on it, but there used to be a literal gap between the Alt keys and their Ctrl brethren in the lateral directions away from the space bar, and those days are long gone.
There’ll be the niche users who stick with old keyboards without this new key, just like there are the die-hards who have stuck resolutely to the old IBM keyboards and the like from pre-1995, but if you want a new keyboard?
Gonna have to shell out a small fortune for a custom build or make do with that dumb new key.
(Shoutout to the Context Menu key which went as unmentioned in the above as it goes unused in day to day use, despite having been included with its Super cousin since day one.)
- const_void ( @const_void@lemmy.ml ) 6•4 months ago
Gonna have to shell out a small fortune for a custom build or make do with that dumb new key.
I don’t think this is true. Just buy a laptop from a company that ships it with Linux. No Windows, no Windows keys. It doesn’t have to be ‘custom’.
- Keith ( @kzhe@lemmy.zip ) 4•4 months ago
The post mentioned this, and argues that a super a key is basically just a windows key
- giloronfoo ( @giloronfoo@beehaw.org ) 2•4 months ago
The video made it look like this was the context menu key. This may just be a key cap change for WHQL certification of keyboards.
- state_electrician ( @state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de ) 1•4 months ago
My keyboard has a Linux key. And I happily use it.
- ⸻ Ban DHMO 🇦🇺 ⸻ ( @unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone ) English1•4 months ago
Hey! I used the context menu key today… Just to see what it does and ask why?
- cmnybo ( @cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de ) English1•4 months ago
The context menu key is more useful when it’s remapped to the compose key.
- BaldProphet ( @BaldProphet@kbin.social ) 11•4 months ago
I fully agree with you, but Framework is definitely not Linux-first. The only OS they offer preloaded on their laptops is Windows. You have to install Linux yourself if you want it.
- 𝘋𝘪𝘳𝘬 ( @Dirk@lemmy.ml ) 4•4 months ago
Like with the Windows key, this won’t be an option.
- Joker ( @Joker@discuss.tchncs.de ) 1•4 months ago
I don’t care as long as the placement is ok and I can map it to something useful. I’m a GNOME user so the Windows/Super key gets a lot of use. It’s nice to have. A new key that I use for all my custom shortcuts would actually be kind of nice. Who cares that the default key caps are a Windows icon and this Copilot thing? Change the key caps and they are just keys.
- SavvyWolf ( @savvywolf@pawb.social ) English71•4 months ago
Do people actually want this?
Like, I know the megacorps that control our lives do (since it’s a cheap way of adding value to their products), but what about actual users? I think many see it as a novelty and a toy rather than a productivity tool. Especially when public awareness of “hallucinations” and the plight faced by artists rises.
Kinda feels like the whole “voice controlled assistants” bubble that happened a while ago. Sure they are relatively commonplace nowadays, but nowhere near as universal as people thought they would be.
- 𝘋𝘪𝘳𝘬 ( @Dirk@lemmy.ml ) 20•4 months ago
Do people actually want this?
Absolutely not. But this is the new standard now.
- Awhiskeydrunker ( @Awhiskeydrunker@kbin.social ) 14•4 months ago
Maybe I’m a pessimist but this is going to really resonate with the people who are “looking forward to AI” because they read headlines, but haven’t actually used any LLMs yet because nobody has told them how.
- Uranium3006 ( @Uranium3006@kbin.social ) 11•4 months ago
I want a voice controlled assistant that runs locally and is fully FOSS and I can just run on my bog standard linux PC, hardware minimum requirements nonwithstanding
- Revan343 ( @Revan343@lemmy.ca ) 7•4 months ago
Another key to bind to something else? Hell yeah
- humanplayer2 ( @humanplayer2@lemmy.ml ) 6•4 months ago
Nope, just a new logo on an existing key.
- Revan343 ( @Revan343@lemmy.ca ) 4•4 months ago
:(
- coolin ( @coolin@beehaw.org ) 6•4 months ago
Current LLMs are manifestly different from Cortana (🤢) because they are actually somewhat intelligent. Microsoft’s copilot can do web search and perform basic tasks on the computer, and because of their exclusive contract with OpenAI they’re gonna have access to more advanced versions of GPT which will be able to do more high level control and automation on the desktop. It will 100% be useful for users to have this available, and I expect even Linux desktops will eventually add local LLM support (once consumer compute and the tech matures). It is not just glorified auto complete, it is actually fairly correlated with outputs of real human language cognition.
The main issue for me is that they get all the data you input and mine it for better models without your explicit consent. This isn’t an area where open source can catch up without significant capital in favor of it, so we have to hope Meta, Mistral and government funded projects give us what we need to have a competitor.
- SavvyWolf ( @savvywolf@pawb.social ) English8•4 months ago
Sure, all that may be true but it doesn’t answer my original concern: Is this something that people want as a core feature of their OS? My comments weren’t that “oh, this is only as technically sophisticated as voice assistants”, it was more “voice assistants never really took off as much as people thought they would”. I may be cynical and grumpy, but to me it feels like these companies are failing to read the market.
I’m reminded of a presentation that I saw where they were showing off fancy AI technology. Basically, if you were in a call 1 to 1 call with someone and had to leave to answer the doorbell or something, the other person could keep speaking and an AI would summarise what they said when they got back.
It felt so out of touch with what people would actually want to do in that situation.
- knightly ( @knightly@pawb.social ) 3•4 months ago
I hope the LLM bubble pops this year. The degree of overinvestment by megacorps is staggering.
- coolin ( @coolin@beehaw.org ) 1•4 months ago
I suppose having worked with LLMs a whole bunch over the past year I have a better sense of what I meant by “automate high level tasks”.
I’m talking about an assistant where, let’s say you need to edit a podcast video to add graphics and cut out dead space or mistakes that you corrected in the recording. You could tell the assistant to do that and it would open the video in Adobe Premiere pro, do the necessary tasks, then ask you to review it to check if it made mistakes.
Or if you had an issue with a particular device, e.g. your display, the assistant would research the issue and perform the necessary steps to troubleshoot and fix the issue.
These are currently hypothetical scenarios, but current GPT4 can already perform some of these tasks, and specifically training it to be a desktop assistant and to do more agentic tasks will make this a reality in a few years.
It’s additionally already useful for reading and editing long documents and will only get better on this end. You can already use an LLM to query your documents and give you summaries or use them as instructions/research to aid in performing a task.
- fine_sandy_bottom ( @fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de ) 1•4 months ago
I guess my understanding of an LLM must be way off base.
I had thought that asking an LLM to edit a video was simply out of scope. Like asking your self driving car to wash the dishes.
- chicken ( @chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 2•4 months ago
A year ago local LLM was just not there, but the stuff you can run now with 8gb vram is pretty amazing, if not quite as good yet as GPT 4. Honestly even if it stops right where it is, it’s still powerful enough to be a foundation for a more accessible and efficient way to interface with computers.
- Lvxferre ( @lvxferre@lemmy.ml ) 47•4 months ago
Oh “great”, more crap between Ctrl and Alt.
[Grumpy grandpa] In my times, the space row only had five keys! And we did more than those youngsters do with eight, now nine keys!
- ipsirc ( @ipsirc@lemmy.ml ) English14•4 months ago
In my time it was also nine. Back to the roots. ;->
- giloronfoo ( @giloronfoo@beehaw.org ) 9•4 months ago
From the picture, it’s just the context menu key with a new key cap.
- lolcatnip ( @lolcatnip@reddthat.com ) English6•4 months ago
That’s still a new key for some people. My laptop doesn’t have a context key, for example.
- Lvxferre ( @lvxferre@lemmy.ml ) 3•4 months ago
Aaaaah. I really, really wanted to complain about the excessive amount of keys.
(My comment above is partially a joke - don’t take it too seriously. Even if a new key was added it would be a bit more clutter, but not that big of a deal.)
- Stillhart ( @Stillhart@lemm.ee ) 43•4 months ago
This is Clippy v2.0 and I’m sure it will be just as helpful.
- floofloof ( @floofloof@lemmy.ca ) English42•4 months ago
They’ve learned from their mistakes, and concluded that Clippy failed because there was no Clippy key.
- risencode ( @risencode@lemmy.ml ) 34•4 months ago
That’s funny, because getting an ad for Copilot inside my startmenu was actually what made me go back to Linux after 10 years.
This tracks.
- Apollo2323 ( @Apollo2323@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 32•4 months ago
So you can pressed accidentally activating the fucking AI and make the numbers go up so Microsoft can then go and say to investors look millions are using my AI. So annoying.
- SuperSpruce ( @SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip ) 30•4 months ago
Why? Win+C launches Copilot already, if you want to use it. It’s simple enough currently, why change it? This will just make everything worse.
- OsrsNeedsF2P ( @OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml ) 29•4 months ago
Why? Investment hype
- aksdb ( @aksdb@feddit.de ) 1•4 months ago
Awesome Keyboard with AI Support *
* On supported Operating Systems **
** With separate subscription.
- Blackmist ( @Blackmist@feddit.uk ) English26•4 months ago
Really milking that fad before they inevitably push anything useful behind a monthly paywall.
- init ( @init@lemmy.ml ) 6•4 months ago
As long as the ability to manually turn off secureboot and remove the OS isn’t locked behind a subscription…
- stoy ( @stoy@lemmy.zip ) 23•4 months ago
I am getting flashbacks to the multimedia keyboards on yesteryear:
https://deskthority.net/wiki/Multimedia_keyboard
Thanks MS, but no thanks, I don’t need it.
- ancap shark ( @pipows@lemmy.today ) 20•4 months ago
I love these, it has actual useful keys
- stoy ( @stoy@lemmy.zip ) 8•4 months ago
I will admit that the volume wheel was awesome
- NOOBMASTER 🍜 ( @NOOBMASTER@lemmy.ml ) 11•4 months ago
yeah, the media controls are actually useful.
- shiveyarbles ( @shiveyarbles@beehaw.org ) 21•4 months ago
They’re really pushing this AI shit fr
- teawrecks ( @teawrecks@sopuli.xyz ) 21•4 months ago
Wonder if it will be CTRL + SHIFT + ALT + WIN + C
- EddoWagt ( @EddoWagt@feddit.nl ) 1•4 months ago
Now I’m wondering, with which fingers would you press all those buttons? The most comfortable way to press these keys with 1 hand is to rotate the keyboard 180 degrees
- teawrecks ( @teawrecks@sopuli.xyz ) 1•4 months ago
They don’t intend for you to, it’s just easier to make a giant button combo that their generic HID driver handles as a special case than to create a custom keyboard protocol with their special key enums and a custom driver that only windows supports.
- ipsirc ( @ipsirc@lemmy.ml ) English21•4 months ago
Woo-hoo! Secondary hyper modifier key - can’t wait!!!
- QuazarOmega ( @QuazarOmega@lemy.lol ) 20•4 months ago
Yay! I petition to call it Duper
- Octorine ( @Octorine@midwest.social ) English20•4 months ago
Soon we’ll be able to emacs the way the developers intended.
- umbrella ( @umbrella@lemmy.ml ) 17•4 months ago
how the fuck can they just decide this
- sarchar ( @sarchar@programming.dev ) English7•4 months ago
Probably through licensing agreements with PC retailers.
But you can also just decide not to buy them.
- umbrella ( @umbrella@lemmy.ml ) 3•4 months ago
can i decide to buy a keyboard without the windows key today?
- Molten_Moron ( @Molten_Moron@lemmings.world ) 3•4 months ago
There’s always the IBM Model M or, if you prefer USB, there are remakes with it.
- variants ( @variants@possumpat.io ) English3•4 months ago
Wow it’s yuuge
- leopold ( @leopold@lemmy.kde.social ) English2•4 months ago
sure, any Apple keyboard
- sarchar ( @sarchar@programming.dev ) English1•4 months ago
Umm, it’s just a keycap. You can map the key to whatever you want.
- umbrella ( @umbrella@lemmy.ml ) 2•4 months ago
agreed, however it defeats the point that its going to be optional if they really decide to do it.
- ProgrammingSocks ( @ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social ) 5•4 months ago
Microsoft is a monopoly. Stallman was right, as usual in software
- umbrella ( @umbrella@lemmy.ml ) 2•4 months ago
stallman is still right
- ulkesh ( @ulkesh@beehaw.org ) English15•4 months ago
As long as it’s treated like a media key and not an intrusion of the standard, then I couldn’t care less. It’s a stupid idea, but Microsoft is so often full of those.
Edit> And after reading the article…of course MS is intruding on the standard just like they did with the windows key, but at least that one was turned into “meta” or “super”. I guess this will guarantee I won’t buy another MS keyboard.
- Reil ( @Reil@beehaw.org ) English21•4 months ago
On the other hand… Super Duper Key.
- ulkesh ( @ulkesh@beehaw.org ) English7•4 months ago
Touché
- pixelscript ( @pixelscript@lemmy.ml ) English7•4 months ago
It’s Microsoft, intrusion of standards is their entire M.O.
It’s the “extend” in “embrace, extend, extinguish”.
- NOOBMASTER 🍜 ( @NOOBMASTER@lemmy.ml ) 2•4 months ago
Couldn’t they just convert some existing unused key, like Scroll Lock? To be honest, even Pause/Break seems outdated to me.
- erwan ( @erwan@lemmy.ml ) 2•4 months ago
The Windows key turning into “super” and getting some use on Linux was just Linux DE finding a use for that key nobody asked for.
- Dr. Wesker ( @wesker@lemmy.sdf.org ) English14•4 months ago
Lol fuck off Microdong.