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pbpza ( pbpza@lemmy.dbzer0.com )  to Linux@lemmy.ml · 3 years ago

TIL that operating system Linux is an example of anarcho-communism

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TIL that operating system Linux is an example of anarcho-communism

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pbpza ( pbpza@lemmy.dbzer0.com )  to Linux@lemmy.ml · 3 years ago
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    Isn’t it a benevolent dictatorship with Linus at the head?

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      Linus’ power doesn’t come from Ownership, but respect. Anyone can fork it and do what they want, but because Linus is respected, everyone else follows suit.

      Anarchism would function in a similar manner, it wouldn’t be a bunch of opinionated people doing whatever they want, but people generally listening to experts who don’t actually hold systemic power.

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        Problem is that the average person cannot discern between an actual expert and a charlatan.

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          And yet Linux works fine. Not everyone needs to be a dev, devs can tell the difference between an expert and a charlatan.

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            I meant that as a reply to the second paragraph which generalised anarchism; including the non-Linux world.
            I also disagree that this isn’t an issue in the broader Linux community however. See for example the loud minority with an irrational hate against quite obviously good software projects like systemd who got those ideas from charlatans or “experts”.

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              I know, I used Linux as an example. Just like not everyone needs to be a weatherman to trust weatherman that can recognize experts among themselves, so too can engineers recognize experts among themselves, and so forth.

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        I would disagree and say it’s more akin to a philosopher king hence less anarchy and more monarchy. It’s all good until the king dies and let’s see who succeeds them.

        It will be most telling when Linus dies.

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          No, a king’s power derives from authority, not from the good will of its subjects

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            See and I see it more as in modern times where it’s a simple figurehead.

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          But a king must have power and authority, Linus just has influence and labor, thus expertise.

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      You can fork it, sure Linus is very respected and his decisions are considered very important but you can fork it and change however you want so it’s still compatible with Anarchism.

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      Free software doesn’t have owners. If someone else did a better job of being the “benevolent dictator” of a fork of Linux, everyone would start using that fork. Arguably this is a more free-market system than non-free software.

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      Youre thinking of python I reckon -link to wikipedia

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        The article you link literally lists Linus under the referent candidates section.

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          So I did miss that Linus is in the article, but the reference to him says he was awarded the title, which makes it sound like an honour rather than a hierarchical system. I don’t believe that he’s ever been anything other than the projects owner/founder but I’m happy to learn if I’m wrong.

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            Yes, that’s just how open source works. Of course they always serve at the pleasure of the community, otherwise forks would happen. Nobody said otherwise. As the “Usage” section of that article implies, the “benevolent” bit comes from the feedback loop of a happy community supporting their dictator-for-life.

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              I mean how the community refers to him. I’ve never read a thread where someone called Linus a BDFL, I have with python. If they do, they do. Just haven’t seen it myself.

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      I’m worried we’re gonna have a situation like the death or Tito

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