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nekandro ( nekandro@lemmy.ml )  to World News@lemmy.ml · 3 years ago

‘We recognise China, and that Taiwan is part of China’ – Irish Prime Minister clarifies Ireland’s position ahead of Davos meetings

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‘We recognise China, and that Taiwan is part of China’ – Irish Prime Minister clarifies Ireland’s position ahead of Davos meetings

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  • GregorGizeh ( GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip ) 
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    Pathetic. You’d think a country colonized by a foreign nation would be more sympathetic to their struggle for independence.

    • brain_in_a_box ( brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml ) BannedBanned
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    • gnuhaut ( gnuhaut@lemmy.ml ) 
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      What? Neither side represents the indigenous population of Taiwan.

    • bdonvr ( bdonvr@thelemmy.club ) BannedBanned
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      Taiwan is not colonized by the PRC.

  • jaeme ( jaeme@lemmy.ml ) deleted by creator
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    Taiwan seperatists keep losing!

    There will be one China and Taiwan will be a respected part of that China.

    • naeap ( naeap@sopuli.xyz ) 
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      So, you think original china will take over the communist mainland again?

      • jaeme ( jaeme@lemmy.ml ) deleted by creator
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        The “original China” of Chiang Kai Shek is a subservient lapdog to the imperial core. It is a nation born out of cowardice and corruption.

        The PRC is the rightful government of China. Over 180 countries in the world recognize that fact. This isn’t some fight against “communism” but a righting of history.

    • Che Banana ( Che_Donkey@lemmy.ml ) 
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      Taiwan numbah 1!

    • Gabu ( Gabu@lemmy.ml ) 
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      Taiwan #1

  • Midnitte ( Midnitte@beehaw.org ) 
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    So what’s next, allowing China to also claim the Philippines?

    • gnuhaut ( gnuhaut@lemmy.ml ) 
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      Err… the Philippines, the former US colony? Where currently new US military bases are being built? Which China has never ruled, attempted to rule, or said they want to rule?

      You’re worried that China is going to claim the Philippines???

      • Pons_Aelius ( Pons_Aelius@kbin.social ) 
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        Which China has never ruled

        True, the CCP claiming The Philippines would be seen as ridiculous by the rest of the world.

        Then again, the CCP has never ruled Taiwan either…

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        • gnuhaut ( gnuhaut@lemmy.ml ) 
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          Then again, the CCP has never ruled Taiwan either…

          Oh yeah that’s like exactly the same situation.

          1. Send US military to “protect” one side in the Chinese civil war and occupy parts of China.
          2. Say you’re in favor of eventual peaceful reunification, but actually prevent it for decades.
          3. Break promise and claim the territory was never really part of China to begin with.
          4. Pretend you’re the victim and China is “expansionist”.
          5. World War 3?
          • xor ( xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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            Or, you know, you could actually respect the right to self determination of the Taiwanese people, rather than "America bad"ing your way to imperialism

            • possibly a cat ( doom_and_gloom@lemmy.ml ) BB
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          • Pons_Aelius ( Pons_Aelius@kbin.social ) 
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            That’s a great story you have there, you should pitch it to netflicks.

            • gnuhaut ( gnuhaut@lemmy.ml ) 
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              Good idea. Maybe that’ll stop the at least some of uninformed comments here.

              • Pons_Aelius ( Pons_Aelius@kbin.social ) 
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                Don’t put yourself down like that. It really was a good piece of fiction.

                • Count042 ( Count042@lemmy.ml ) 
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                  Which part?

                  Post citations. The only fiction I see is what you’re trying to imply.

                  Back up your words.

      • Truck_kun ( Truck_kun@beehaw.org ) 
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        They wouldn’t claim the Philippines without a war.

        But the Chinese government is trying to claim territorial waters, and their aggression toward all their neighbors is exactly why the Philippines have decided to work with the US and open new bases.

        They may not claim it, but they are definitely the aggressor in the territory, and most of their neighbors do not view the Chinese government as ‘the good guys’; that’s not to say they view the US as ‘the good guys’ either, simply as the one that isn’t actively aggressive and could assist in their defense.

    • faintwhenfree ( faintwhenfree@lemmus.org ) 
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      I wonder who’s downvoting this

      • CommanderCloon ( CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml ) 
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        Anyone with even a smidge of knowledge about the actual situation of the Taiwan issue.

        Contrary to what’s usually depicted, neither Taiwan nor China consider Taiwan as an independent country. Taiwan, or more accurately the Republic of China (ROC), claims sovereignty over this territory.

        Both the ROC and the People’s Republic of China (PRC) consider Taiwan to be a province of China, it just happens that the ROC only has control over Taiwan while the PRC has control over China

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          Thanks, that was a clear explanation.

  • apotheotic (she/her) ( apotheotic@beehaw.org ) 
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    This is disgusting, quite frankly. Taiwan has every right to be an independent state and it is one. Fuck right off.

    • brain_in_a_box ( brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml ) BannedBanned
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      • Gabu ( Gabu@lemmy.ml ) 
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        Did you even think before writing that? What am I saying, of course you didn’t.

        the ROC doesn’t consider th Taiwan to be an independent state

        Because they lose any possible claim to their continuity as the rightful government of China by doing so. Also, the CCP would be quite pissy about that.

        • brain_in_a_box ( brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml ) BannedBanned
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      • apotheotic (she/her) ( apotheotic@beehaw.org ) 
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        No :)

        Let’s see. How can I break this down.

        I think it’s quite fair to assume that when people use the term China in isolation, they are referring to the authoritarian dictatorship state controlled by the CCP, The Peoples Republic of China.

        ROC a governmental body, still holds onto the idea that it is the sole rightful “owner” of all the territories of pre-1949 China. Good for them, a little far from reality but I can’t blame them for having dreams.

        A significant portion of the people of Taiwan do not under any circumstances want to be part of anything under rule of the CCP, which in reality means that they do not want to be part of the Peoples Republic of China. The ROC, on the other hand, still wants to hold into the idea of their claim over the whole region, so it’s interests are in conflict with the people’s in that regard.

        Thus! Taiwan is an independent state from the PRC because the chances of the PRC being governed by anyone but the CCP is slim to none.

        I note you went straight to swearing at me, quoting my own “fuck right off” which was directed at a government and not any individual. I’m sure you understand why this doesn’t make me any more likely to support your stance, but do try to be kinder.

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          • apotheotic (she/her) ( apotheotic@beehaw.org ) 
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            Ad hominem attacks will get you no prizes.

            I reiterate that you should try your hand at being kinder.

            Goodbye!

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  • Gabu ( Gabu@lemmy.ml ) 
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    He must’ve mispoken - China is a part of Taiwan, as everyone knows.

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