- AnneBonny ( @AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English176•5 months ago
I really don’t like that the graphs aren’t across the same period of time.
- janabuggs ( @janabuggs@beehaw.org ) 18•5 months ago
Omg I didn’t even notice that. It’s like the more you look at this the worse it gets.
- Diva (she/her) ( @Diva@lemmy.ml ) 94•5 months ago
Oh boy liberal vs conservative, what a wide variety of political opinion allowed for by the “financial times”
- Deceptichum ( @Deceptichum@kbin.social ) 16•5 months ago
Right and righter.
- Kilgore Trout ( @kilgore_trout@feddit.it ) 3•5 months ago
Yes, these graphs don’t many any sense other than generating clicks.
- Ada ( @ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 72•5 months ago
I don’t know about beautiful data. That’s scary data :/
- Matt ( @macaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) English20•5 months ago
It’s only beautiful in that is well visualized. The data itself is scary.
Do you know a community that fits?
- Ada ( @ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) English8•5 months ago
No no, that’s not what I meant. I wasn’t trying to have a go at you. It fits here perfectly. I was just upset at the trend it was showing :\
- NattyNatty2x4 ( @NattyNatty2x4@beehaw.org ) 2•5 months ago
The data is beautiful, it’s the implications that are ugly
- Moira_Mayhem ( @Moira_Mayhem@beehaw.org ) 46•5 months ago
Maybe the fact that conservative governments erode the rights of women?
I think that’s probably the biggest driver the last 10 years.
A FUCKTONNE of women I know became a hell of a lot less conservative when Roe Vs Wade was overturned.
- Midnitte ( @Midnitte@beehaw.org ) 21•5 months ago
A FUCKTONNE of women I know became a hell of a lot less conservative when Roe Vs Wade was overturned.
Now if only they would vote like it…
Republicans also gained support from a higher share of women compared with previous elections: 48% of women voters cast ballots for GOP candidates in 2022 while 51% favored Democrats. In 2018, 40% voted for Republicans while 58% supported Democrats.
For further context, the Dobbs decision was June 2022…
- Moira_Mayhem ( @Moira_Mayhem@beehaw.org ) 9•5 months ago
I feel this is more indicative of the fact that conservatives simply vote more per capita. Public sentiment doesn’t always translate to votes when only 20% of the population participates.
- Midnitte ( @Midnitte@beehaw.org ) 5•5 months ago
Sure, but either way, people are not voting against conservatives - whether that’s because they sit out or are continuing to vote conservative seems rather trivia.
- Moira_Mayhem ( @Moira_Mayhem@beehaw.org ) 3•5 months ago
… did you not see the last presidential election?
- Midnitte ( @Midnitte@beehaw.org ) 6•5 months ago
…the one that took place before 2022?
Besides the most recent turnout demonstrating that the women who did vote did not turn more democratic, even Bidens victory in 2020 had nearly the same margins.
In 2020, men were almost evenly divided between Trump and Biden, unlike in 2016 when Trump won men by 11 points. Trump won a slightly larger share of women’s votes in 2020 than in 2016 (44% vs. 39%), while Biden’s share among women was nearly identical to Clinton’s (55% vs. 54%).
Again, it might feel like more women are turning away from the conservative camp, but they certainly aren’t voting like it.
- heavyboots ( @heavyboots@lemmy.ml ) English3•5 months ago
I mean I think the fact the “red wave” fizzled completely at midterms is an indication that women are voting more liberal and in greater numbers? Nothing politicizes like an entire gender being told their rights are being removed because “think of the children”.
- zaphod ( @zaphod@sopuli.xyz ) 1•5 months ago
Maybe the fact that conservative governments erode the rights of women?
Do they really? I know about stuff in the US, but what about the other countries. At least for Germany I can say that in the last 10 years I can’t really recall anything where the government tried to worsen women’s rights.
- barsoap ( @barsoap@lemm.ee ) 6•5 months ago
Herdprämie.
The constitutional court axed the whole thing because it’s outside of the jurisdiction of the federation, Bavaria, and only Bavaria then went ahead and made it state law. They also consistently score worst when it comes to access to abortions.
That’s the CSU though, the CDU had lots of high-ranking women at that time which explains why they weren’t pushing things into that direction. And the whole republic ridiculed vdL for trying to get rid of Vatertag, rightly so.
- zaphod ( @zaphod@sopuli.xyz ) 1•5 months ago
Yeah, I remember that, but I wouldn’t call that worsening women’s rights, it was something completely optional and if at all only highlighted existing sexism. It was more or less a susidy for families that didn’t sent their kids to kindergarten, the law didn’t state which parent had to take care of the children or anything like that. There was criticism that children wouldn’t grow up around other children and that it would hold women back in their careers because it would most likely be the mother who stays at home, but that’s not the fault of the law. And similar programs exist in Norway, Sweden and Denmark, and generally people consider those countries as progressive.
Regarding abortions one law making it hard to access was the ridiculous § 219a StGB and that was abolished in 2022. The other problem is that doctors can’t be forced to perform abortions. The problem in general here is religious groups.
- Moira_Mayhem ( @Moira_Mayhem@beehaw.org ) 3•5 months ago
Compared to America, most conservative German politicians are damn near moderates.
I know for a fact that they would be called ‘damn libruhls’ by nearly every republicunt they shared their policy ideals with.
- zaphod ( @zaphod@sopuli.xyz ) 5•5 months ago
It’s so ridiculous, last year some politicians from the CSU visited De Santis. They regularly copy talking points from the US, which make absolutely no sense. They even tried the “drag queens are groomers” thing, but it didn’t catch on. Next they’ll probably try to ban books or some other bullshit like that.
- Moira_Mayhem ( @Moira_Mayhem@beehaw.org ) 3•5 months ago
^ This is what happens when they try that shit in a country without a 4 decades deliberately crippled public education system.
Kind of jealous ngl.
- jackpot ( @jackpot@lemmy.ml ) 45•5 months ago
shcoking, women arent a fan en masse of being ‘tradwifes’ to tate blowhards
- OsrsNeedsF2P ( @OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml ) 44•5 months ago
Here in South Korea - Both the liberal and conservative party are very conservative. It wasn’t until 10-15 years ago that women could even be the “leader” of the house. So the delta in conservative/liberal is more likely to do with economic/war policies with the North than much else (since men get conscripted, and North policies is one of the key differentiators between the 2 parties)
- SkepticalButOpenMinded ( @SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca ) 12•5 months ago
South Korea also has one of the biggest anti-feminism movements in the world. They just eliminated the gender ministry and rolled back protections for women. Not coincidentally, South Korea is Jordan Peterson’s biggest audience outside the US.
- OsrsNeedsF2P ( @OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml ) 6•5 months ago
The translation of “gender ministry” is completely misleading, I don’t know why they made it that in English because that’s not what it is. In Korean it’s “여성가족부” which means “Woman’s family department”
- TimewornTraveler ( @TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee ) 1•5 months ago
right. Korean politics seem to come down to “aid vs embargo”. moon jae in was on the aid side, right? I haven’t followed the current prez, what’s their deal?
- Cowbee ( @Cowbee@lemmy.ml ) 5•5 months ago
President Yoon is a fascist that got into power by targeting women and disabled people.
- PatMustard ( @PatMustard@feddit.uk ) English40•5 months ago
This data is poorly presented and unclear. It may well have some really useful insights, but it’s definitely not beautiful.
- Squirrel ( @Squirrel@thelemmy.club ) English33•5 months ago
Oh good, I’m better than the average man in something.
- NattyNatty2x4 ( @NattyNatty2x4@beehaw.org ) 8•5 months ago
Sad that the bar is so low though
- jadelord ( @jadelord@discuss.tchncs.de ) 30•5 months ago
And I don’t like how sparse the data points are but they went with a wobbly interpolated curve anyway.
- Echo Dot ( @echodot@feddit.uk ) 3•5 months ago
It looks like they only asked about five people in the UK.
- ctkatz ( @ctkatz@lemmy.ml ) 20•5 months ago
not surprising. the american right is specifically catered to address male grievances.
- Isoprenoid ( @Isoprenoid@programming.dev ) English2•5 months ago
This data is the World world, not just “America world”.
Also, if men are going right, then the left needs to step up their offering.
- Omega_Haxors ( @Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml ) English3•5 months ago
We tried that, ended up with a bunch of grifters coming in, doing a bunch of damage, and then making “why I left the left” videos.
There is a path of healing but it’s not going to happen until they address their white supremacy and take it behind the shed.
- Isoprenoid ( @Isoprenoid@programming.dev ) English0•5 months ago
white supremacy and bring it behind the shed.
Fair.
So, this is the predicament for men:
- Omega_Haxors ( @Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml ) English5•5 months ago
Honestly if not being a fascist piece of shit is that big of a deal breaker you kind of deserve it.
- Isoprenoid ( @Isoprenoid@programming.dev ) English0•5 months ago
This just in: all men are fascists.
- AVincentInSpace ( @AVincentInSpace@pawb.social ) English5•5 months ago
No, all Trump supporters are fascists. I know you know how to read. No one said all men were fascist, only the ones who choose to be conservative and/or throw their support behind a self professed dictator.
- Isoprenoid ( @Isoprenoid@programming.dev ) English0•5 months ago
No, all Trump supporters are fascists.
Fair, but this left-right / men-women divide isn’t just an American issue. Take another look at the OP image.
- Omega_Haxors ( @Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml ) English3•5 months ago
Yes, kill all men. Bring on the patricide, then we’ll go after the gamers next. None shall be spared the wrath of the left.
- Norgur ( @Norgur@kbin.social ) 18•5 months ago
Is it just me or are those the typical US-centric terms! If so, I’d trust those numbers even less than I already do because they moved the timespans between the graphs.
- SqueakyBeaver ( @SqueakyBeaver@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) English14•5 months ago
I personally don’t like how the top left one starts at 2005, unlike every other graph, but they all have the same x scale. (I nitpick things sometimes)
- kingthrillgore ( @KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml ) 12•5 months ago
Women have always saved the world
- Hernán De Angelis ( @hdeangelis@mstdn.social ) 7•5 months ago
@BuddyTheBeefalo i wonder how good are those data, and how much overfiitting is going on…
- AnneBonny ( @AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English2•5 months ago
- huginn ( @huginn@feddit.it ) 1•5 months ago
Still a broken link
- AnneBonny ( @AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English1•5 months ago
not on my machine:
- huginn ( @huginn@feddit.it ) 1•5 months ago
Hmm maybe just a mobile Firefox issue.
- huginn ( @huginn@feddit.it ) 3•5 months ago
- Steve ( @Steve@startrek.website ) 7•5 months ago
The color choice makes me angry!!