Hello, i am currently looking for a Linux distribution with these criteria:

-it should be more or less stable, comparable to Ubuntu with or without LTS // -it should not be related to IBM to any way (so no fedora/redhat) // -it should not feature snaps (no Ubuntu or KDE neon) // -KDE plasma should be installable manually (best case even installed by default) // -no DIY Distros //

I’ve been thinking about using an immutable distro, but if anyone can recommend something to me, I’d be very grateful //

Edit: I’m sorry for the bad formatting, for some reason it doesn’t register spaces

  •  Pantherina   ( @Pantherina@feddit.de ) 
    40•5 months ago

    Can you please like write the points in a list and not with these weird // in between? Lemmy uses markdown

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  •  ExtremeDullard   ( @ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org ) 
    21•5 months ago

    I’ve been running Linux Mint Cinnamon for years. It’s the stablest, most dependable distro I’ve ever run. I’ve installed it, updated it and major-version-upgraded it many times on many machines and it never broke.

    It’s basically Ubuntu with the features that make Ubuntu shite removed (basically Unity and snaps) and a no-nonsense, GTK-based Win95-like desktop environment tacked on.

  •  BaumGeist   ( @BaumGeist@lemmy.ml ) 
    21•5 months ago

    -it should be more or less stable, comparable to Ubuntu with or without LTS

    Ubuntu was based on Debian, which touts its stability

    -it should not be related to IBM to any way (so no fedora/redhat)

    Debian has no afiliation to IBM, they’re not even loosely part of each others’ “partners” programs

    -it should not feature snaps (no Ubuntu or KDE neon)

    Debian doesn’t use snaps (welcome to the greener side of the fence btw, fuck snaps)

    -KDE plasma should be installable manually (best case even installed by default)

    Debian uses KDE as one of it’s default install options when installing the OS, and it can be installed later with tasksel (or by just getting all the packages if you want to do it the hard way)

    -no DIY Distros

    Debian has a barebones headless option, but the installer defaults (which come with the whole DE and oyher convenienve packages) are pretty user-friendly

    In summary, I have no fucking clue what OS you should use.

    P.S. newlines on lemmy are either done by using two spaces at the end of a line
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  •  Johanno   ( @Johanno@feddit.de ) 
    14•5 months ago

    Of course debian.

    However pure debian needs some love before you can use it.

    If you want to use steam. Enable 32 bit arch.

    If you want to use flatpak. You need to install it and add the default repo.

    To install kde plasma you need only a single apt command.

    I personally run debian-testing/Trixie.

    •  Pantherina   ( @Pantherina@feddit.de ) 
      3•5 months ago

      I dont get Debian. It is so manual, everything needs to be done manually. They default to ext4 which is old as balls, their updates are not automatic (and apt-automatic is painfully complicated to configure) even though on a stable distro you can easily differentiate between security and feature updates.

      Everything that might be nicely preconfigured on Opensuse or Fedora is manual on Debian.

      And… you get years old packages, without any of the fixes the developers added in the past.

      As a semi-rolling Distro Opensuse Slowroll sounds nice. I think it already works, you change repos in Tumbleweed and thats it.

  •  StrangeAstronomer   ( @StrangeAstronomer@lemmy.ml ) 
    10•5 months ago

    You can’t avoid IBM/RedHat - they contribute to the kernel and many, many other parts of Linux eg systemd. I have no idea what you mean by DIY distros, what a peculiar adjective in this context. Linux itself is DIY. Life is DIY.

    That said, voidlinux is an independent distro without systemd or snaps based on runit for init and xbps for package management. It’s also a STABLE rolling release.

    •  pixelscript   ( @pixelscript@lemmy.ml ) English
      5•5 months ago

      I have no idea what you mean by DIY distros, what a peculiar adjective in this context. Linux itself is DIY. Life is DIY.

      Pretty sure what they meant is no distros where you have to manually curate and possibly even build every sodding package, like Linux From Scratch, Gentoo, and maybe to an extent Arch. I presume they want a disto that flashes to a live USB, walks through a wizard, and boots up out of the box fully functional in minutes, no fuss required.

    •  yianiris   ( @yianiris@kafeneio.social ) 
      3•5 months ago

      > You can’t avoid IBM/RedHat

      Let’s just leave it at that, we can’t avoid code published by them, it is everywhere. Both of those are subject and clear collaborators with agencies of the state that protects their existence.

      It is 100s of times better than MS, ok, yes, it is. Still, “we” have a long way to go, away from “them”.

      @StrangeAstronomer @Luffy879

  •  sibachian   ( @sibachian@lemmy.ml ) English
    10•5 months ago

    Linux Mint is hands down the most stable linux distro out there and has been for years. zero tinkering needed. everything just runs no questions asked.

    My only grief with Mint is the most recent update where they changed the software centee and now it’s slowed to a crawl. Why they would do this is anyones guess.

    I’m recommending MX until such time that Mint sort their crap out - unfortunately I doubt they will, seeing as this change of software center was to resolve some other issues they (but not is end users) though they had.

    MX is basically debian but with a lot of improvements. Sure it might have a bit of a learning curve for those primarily used to Ubuntu based systems, but it beats running any of the other Ubuntu distros by miles since they all struggle with the crap Ubuntu puts on top of Debian.

    Manjaro is another great option if you don’t want to deal with debian based stuff, and KDE is the default DE with most stuff under reasonable control. You can also use all the Arch resources if you ever run into trouble so it’s a lot less of a headache than what I’ve experienced running OpenSUSE (i want to love OpenSUSE but I just can’t).

      •  sibachian   ( @sibachian@lemmy.ml ) English
        2•5 months ago

        not at all. mint offers a bunch of features ‘exclusive’ to mint as an integration with their system. of course it’s all open source and you could install it on any other system. but the key important factor with mint is that everything ‘just works’ with a fresh install, no customization necessary - which is something that can’t be said about any other distro, including Ubuntu. it is the only distro i recommend for non-pc users as there is no chance they will brick it.

        regardless, KDE is just a DE. you won’t get the same mint experience of course, since it isn’t officially supported (and indeed, only cinnamon offers the complete mint experience), but installing KDE on mint is easy enough if you insist on using it.

  •  Lunya \ she/it   ( @backhdlp@iusearchlinux.fyi ) 
    8•5 months ago

    people will read stable and instantly comment debian

    Jokes aside, given that you said in a comment that it’s for non-tech-savvy people, I’d say Linux Mint, partially just because it will look familiar if they’ve seen any Windows PC.

    •  Luffy879   ( @Luffy879@lemmy.ml ) OP
      7•5 months ago

      With diy distro I meant arch, gentoo, and nixOS The distro is meant to run on a PC which is mainly used by non tech sawwy people. And even tho I will be doing all administration tasks on it, I would like it to be as easy to manage themselves as possible, so they become familiar with Linux more.

      •  𝘋𝘪𝘳𝘬   ( @Dirk@lemmy.ml ) 
        7•5 months ago

        The distro is meant to run on a PC which is mainly used by non tech sawwy people. […], so they become familiar with Linux more.

        In this case I always suggest trying out Linux Mint. It is not “too heavy” and not “too specific/niche”. It’s a good all-purpose distribution for desktops/laptops where basic maintenance can be performed by the user.

      •  Nyfure   ( @Nyfure@kbin.social ) 
        2•5 months ago

        I dont see how e.g. arch would be super hard to maintain.
        There is a nice GUI program for installing programs and updates. (like many modern distros)
        If you dont want to set everything up, go with Endeavour or Garuda.

        I find rolling release to be easier to maintain and keep up to date than non-rolling.
        Specially if you want up to date packages for desktop use.

      •  Pantherina   ( @Pantherina@feddit.de ) 
        1•5 months ago

        Could you elaborate? Children, family members?

        I would recommend Fedora Kinoite from ublue for anything you dont manage yourself. Even if it breaks and your damn kernel doesnt boot, you can just reboot, choose the old version and have a working system.

        All changes can be reverted using rpm-ostree reset and updates on ublue versions are done in the background.

        Ublue takes the Fedora base and adds packages they cant, like restricted video codecs or drivers. Give it a try, I broke every other distro before and dont want to use something else anymore

      •  BCsven   ( @BCsven@lemmy.ca ) 
        1•5 months ago

        The answer then is OpenSUSE Leap or SlowRoll. OpenSUSE has YastGTK GUI for all config tasks ( think windows command center ), they won’t have to use CLI for anything, and if an update does go weird ( which is very rare due to their automated QA ) then you have inatant rollback at the boot menu