I can’t believe gas prices are only $3/gallon. That needs to be at least $20/gallon to make any dent in this climate catastrophe
Where’s the party that is running on a platform of gradually increasing the gas prices to $99/gallon and beyond?
Yes, punish us poor people who have no other option than to commute instead of the mega-corporstions. Good thinking.
Car dependency punishes poor people. The solution is viable alternatives, for which having fewer cars is often very beneficial.
So because you think alternatives that don’t exist should you would raise gas prices and obscene amount and put people on the streets?
I live in a small rural town where everybody commutes to their factory job and is already barely scraping by. What do you think all those people should do to stave off being homeless when they can’t afford to drive?
I think the alternatives should be good enough that raising gas prices isn’t a problem.
Please tell me your plan to collect all of the people spread across half of a state who commute to a central location.
Mobility enables poor people. Not all poor people live in an idealistic 15-minute city.
I don’t think rural living makes sense if you’re also commuting. Small towns can have good transport links to other nearby towns but I don’t think it makes sense to support those who decide they want to live beyond the practical reach of public services just for the sake of it.
I understand that you’re doing a thought experiment about futuristic utopias but I am talking about the current situation right now and a comment that started this chain.
People live in rural areas whether you think they should or not and raising gas prices to reduce car travel disproportionately affects those people.
Now, if there was some way for poor people to get fuel credits or something so that they’re empowered with mobility maybe that would work.
We also should probably not make farming any harder than it already is.
There are other places in the world who do this much better than the US. How about instead of assuming it’s impossible because you haven’t seen it you consider that it is, in fact, possible but the image has been designed to make it appear impossible by those benefiting from it not being done.
Also, choosing to live away from work is a choice. Suburbia is a choice, and actually one that costs more money in taxes than it makes over time, requiring it to continue to expand or admit it doesn’t work. You can choose to live closer, or even choose to bike to a bus stop/train station/whatever that is positioned reasonably if things weren’t designed around making car and gas company executives rich.
Suburbia? Thanks for showing you have no idea what I’m talking about.
Mobility enables poor people
True
Not all poor people live in an idealistic 15-minute city
Dude, i live in the fucking state of mexico, we don’t even have rail. And even when we touch the city it’s at least half an hour to get to the city center of Mexico city.
And yet, u know what makes it possible for me to come work every day to the city? Public transport.
So yeah, fuck that idea about how it wouldn’t work, put some buses to work out there and even the traffic problem will be lessened since there will be less cars on the road, not to mention how it should be even cheaper since the cost of transportation its gonna be equally split in a bigger ammount of passengers.
You have bikes and busses. Everyone does.
Of course the increase tax on carbon would directly fund giving poor people free bus tickets and bicycle maintenance
I live in rural Washington state. The nearest bus station from where I work is a two mile walk. The nearest bus station from where I live is a three mile walk. I live twenty miles from where I work. Biking and Bussing simply aren’t feasible.
I like bikes and busses. We don’t need bikes and busses to solve this problem, we need telecommuting and walkable communities.
I dont see how you can be so obtuse.
If gas was just $6/hr then there would be a ton of demand for busses. So the bus routes would expand to all the people in your area. And it would be easy to fund because the rich would be subsidizing it.
They’d rather just leave you to suffer in poverty paying $6/gal, neither telecommuting nor busses.
Market solutions don’t work. We need to do this by force.
You started this chain claiming an unreasonable $20 minimum.
Now you’re calling people obtuse? LmaoYeah we should definitely be at $20 by now. Carbon taxing should have started increasing in the 1980s
Bikes and buses are great if you go from one central location to another central location.
Do you know how long bus routes are in rural counties? Imagine the logistics of trying to collect all the adults that want to get to work.
Imagine the logistics of trying to collect all the adults that want to get to work.
we do pretty much this in my country
I would love to see this.
Im gonna say something completely resonable and yet sound like a crazy person cause u lot love cars so much.
TRAINS, u can make it like the ones in the rural areas of germany which works almost like a bus.
Shit, i live in a god damn 3rd world country and i can’t belive we have better public transport than u.
We’re trying that in Canada right now, and it’s making a lot of people very angry.
Those people are ignorant and wrong, but they’re loud enough that even parties on the left are saying “maybe we should try something else.”
It is really interesting to think about how we built our entire society around gas being insanely cheap. You can buy a gallon of it for $3, which is as much as you would pay for a large cup of coffee in most places, something which we have essentially an infinite supply of.
World yearly oil consumption (2021): 35,442,913,090 barrels (42 US gal)
World coffee production (2022): 175.35 million (60kg bags)
It’s not even close. lol
I was very confused by the headline. I legitimately could not understand what it was saying. Then I saw the website.
Ate the onion?
No I posted a funny onion article
Means you can use the carpool lane.
Do you have more details on this info? I don’t understand how giving up SUV’s has a bigger impact than giving up cars altogether. Or does giving up SUV’s mean going from an SUV to no car?
1.- Its literally in the bottom right corner.
2.- for cars its means “normal cars”, no hummbes, no suv’s, no limos.
FUCK suv’s, those things r the most expensive ridiculous thing i have ever seen.
