Snot Flickerman ( @SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) English141•4 months agoAlso don’t wear any clothing you bought from a unique Etsy store (or any store you physically visited and paid with a card).
The clothes you wear to the protest should also be bought from a thrift store that you visited without your cellphone and paid for the clothing in cash.
Otherwise, yes, your clothing purchases are tracked, and the young lady who torched a cop car during the George Floyd protests was literally found by the FBI searching Etsy purchase records for people who had bought that shirt.
https://www.inquirer.com/news/lore-blumenthal-philly-protests-george-floyd-sentencing-20220728.html
Other options are facial recognition defeating clothing like this:
https://www.dezeen.com/2023/02/07/cap_able-facial-recognition-blocking-clothing/
Or this:
EDIT:
But neither of those help when we’re dealing with stuff like Gait Analysis.
For help with that, we must turn to the Ministry…
altasshet ( @altasshet@lemmy.ca ) 56•4 months agoCory Doctorow has a solution: put some pebbles in your shoes, that will change the way you walk right away.
Stache_ ( @Stache_@lemmy.ml ) 22•4 months agoI remember reading a book about this hacker student kid that would do that to sneak out of the school because they had gait recognition cameras. Can’t remember the name of the book though…
altasshet ( @altasshet@lemmy.ca ) 14•4 months agoLittle Brother I think.
Stache_ ( @Stache_@lemmy.ml ) 5•4 months agoOh haha yep that’s it! Guess I shoulda tried googling Cory Doctorow first. Thank you!
I aughtta give that another read
LinkOpensChest.wav ( @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 13•4 months agoSeems like solid advice, thanks!
interrobang ( @interrobang@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 15•4 months agoI wish the facial rec-blocking clothes weren’t too expensive for most protesters
I could retain a subpar attorney with that
randint ( @randint@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ) English57•4 months agoGee, people in the US need to be this cautious when protesting? Where I live it’s totally fine to just casually show up at protests, take selfies, talk to people and whatnot.
m0darn ( @m0darn@lemmy.ca ) 18•4 months agoI live in Canada and there is a university professor that had police visit his house because he took some pictures of an oil project that was being protested while he was on a walking trail near the university.
It was an interview on the cbc several years ago. He was a prof at SFU, I assume it was the trans mountain pipeline expansion.
porous_grey_matter ( @porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml ) 13•4 months agoThat’s because people in the US don’t protest for real, since it’s totally toothless there’s not much crackdown either
blindsight ( @blindsight@beehaw.org ) 9•4 months agoI think it depends on the protest, a little bit, but that’s generally the case in Canada, too.
I counter-protested anti-SOGI assholes (didn’t want 2SLGBTQ+ taught in schools) and it was completely fine. I brought my 5 y.o.
...m... ( @myrrh@ttrpg.network ) 8•4 months ago…in the `states, police can shoot you for any or no reason: we call it at-will liberty…
stringere ( @stringere@leminal.space ) 2•4 months ago150 citizens were enfreedomed in todays public agreement demonstration.
hungryphrog ( @hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 3•4 months agoIt probably also depends on whether you are just holding a sign or straight up rioting.
stringere ( @stringere@leminal.space ) 9•4 months agoOr holding…checks notes…
Wrench
Cordless drill
Water-hose nozzle
Flashlight
Shower rod
Cane
Broomstick
Hairbrush
Sunglasses
Bottle of cologne
Underwear
Tinfoil
Bottle of beer
Pill bottle
E-cigarette
Cell phone
Wallet
iPod
Wii remote
Toy truck
Sandwich
Bible
Hands
…can we add Acorn to the list? I think Acorn can go on there now, also.
Jo Miran ( @JoMiran@lemmy.ml ) 55•4 months agoGen-X here. Gen-Z answers a question I had as a teen. “What the hell children will the extreme sports, tech-centric, video gaming, gangsta rap, grunge, rage against the machine, angst filled ‘slacker’ generation raise?”
Snot Flickerman ( @SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) English46•4 months agoIt’s fucking beautiful, right?
Jo Miran ( @JoMiran@lemmy.ml ) 33•4 months agoIt sure is.
LinkOpensChest.wav ( @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 19•4 months agoI’m Gen X too, and I feel the same!
...m... ( @myrrh@ttrpg.network ) 4•4 months ago…gen Z have rekindled my hopes for a future which were snuffed by the millenial interregnum…
N_Crow ( @N_Crow@leminal.space ) English16•4 months agoI’m not american. Why not bring your phone? Around here as long as you have a legion of people pointing cameras at cops they’ll not outright beat you senseless since it’ll be impossible to lie about some bullshit justification about how you did something first.
kennismigrant ( @kennismigrant@feddit.nl ) 48•4 months agoWhy not bring your phone?
Your SIM/IMEI are tied to your ID. The police can visit you at home later. Details depend on the country.
ninpnin ( @ninpnin@sopuli.xyz ) 3•4 months agoFlight mode?
LoamImprovement ( @LoamImprovement@beehaw.org ) 21•4 months agoDon’t trust the surveillance device to turn off because you ask nicely. Leaving it at home helps sell the idea that you weren’t at the protest you were at.
ninpnin ( @ninpnin@sopuli.xyz ) 1•4 months agoDo you actually know anything about software or are you just saying things
Micromot ( @Micromot@feddit.de ) 4•4 months agoI’m pretty sure the SIM still connects to cell towers even if you have mobile data deactivated
Edit: on most phones it prevents the connection but there are still other ways to track like GPS
ninpnin ( @ninpnin@sopuli.xyz ) 3•4 months agoThe GPS data will not be sent to the carrier, will it? And your phone will only be searched if they can tell its you in the first place. In which case you got caught physically there anyway.
Also this no id thing is confusing to me. I guess its just american law. In many other countries, they just jail you until you tell them who you are.
kennismigrant ( @kennismigrant@feddit.nl ) 4•4 months agoIf you have an iPhone you can go ahead and try Flight Mode right now. You’ll see that it disconnects from WiFi and disables cellular. NFC, Bluetooth and Wi-Fi stay powered on, Bluetooth stays active. Yes, latest iOS has Bluetooth tracking protection on by default (varies by country, illegal in some), but it is not completely safe. I’m not sure about NFC and Wi-Fi. If you power the phone off it is unlikely to turn off the radios - they are needed for “find my iPhone” and similar features on Google and Samsung Galaxy phones.
Overall you can’t be confident that your phone does not reveal your location and identity to “law enforcement”, especially in places where police is well equipped to track you.
ninpnin ( @ninpnin@sopuli.xyz ) 1•4 months agoFind my phone doesnt work if your phone isnt connected to the network, let alone if its turned off. Stop spreading misinformation
kennismigrant ( @kennismigrant@feddit.nl ) 3•4 months ago
Remy Rose ( @MxRemy@lemmy.one ) English25•4 months agoOne, it’ll get smashed anyway. Two, if you manage to get away, they’ll work with your provider or location based apps to prove you were there and arrest you. Or, force you to unlock it so they can arrest your contacts. Filming them barely helps, there’s so many videos of cops beating the shit out of people with no justification, who have been identified and never faced any repercussions
Snot Flickerman ( @SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) English21•4 months agoFurther, cops have learned to just play copyrighted music (say the Frozen soundtrack) when they see they are being recorded, that way if people upload it to the internet, they can rest easy that Disney will hit that video with a copyright strike and the video will be taken down before anyone can see it.
Thankfully for protestors, audio editing exists, and certain AI tools have become very good at stripping certain audio from videos while keeping relevant audio. Leave it to cops to choose a “brute force” solution every time when finesse is all you really need to bypass their brute force.
wandermind ( @wandermind@sopuli.xyz ) 20•4 months agocops have learned to just play copyrighted music (say the Frozen soundtrack)
I hope they’ve secured the proper licenses for a public performance of that music.
deur ( @deur@feddit.nl ) 11•4 months agoYou. Cannot. Be. Forced. To. Unlock. A. Phone. With. A. Password.
(In the United States)
If you are caught with your phone in a bad situation, fight to manage to get it to shut down. Android will be stuck in a locked out state where biometrics are disabled. Im sure iphones can do something like that but rethink bringing your stupid iphone to a protest. Ask for a lawyer. Do not talk, do not answer questions, do not say anything else.
Cupcake1972 ( @Cupcake1972@mander.xyz ) 7•4 months agoYou don’t even need to shut it down, newer Android phones (at least on LineageOS) have lockdown mode in the power menu.
blindsight ( @blindsight@beehaw.org ) 5•4 months agoTakes ~2-3 seconds to set on my Sony Android phone; long-press power, top-right option is lockdown.
Noa Himesaka ( @noahimesaka1873@lemmy.funami.tech ) 2•4 months agoAlso on iPhone, you can just hold down buttons to trigger power down menu which also disables Touch/Face ID.
Remy Rose ( @MxRemy@lemmy.one ) English1•4 months agoThank you, I didn’t think of that!
doggle ( @doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 17•4 months agoPhones are easily tracked, and police generally can get that info. As for the beatings, in the US police commonly aren’t held responsible even when they’ve clearly broken the law. Often, they aren’t even charged.
usualsuspect191 ( @usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca ) 13•4 months agoCell phones can be later used to establish who was there/identify people.
Riven ( @Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 12•4 months agoThey can use phones to track you. I guess if you’re the one who is planning on throwing bricks then don’t bring it but if you’re just a warm body to fill the crowd a phone is fine since it’ll also prove your innocene if you record your whole stay there.
AnarchoSnowPlow ( @AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social ) 5•4 months agoLots of reasons, mostly this
Anise (they/she) ( @Anise@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) English4•4 months ago- Tracking via bluetooth, wifi, cell signals, nfc, etc. Does one trust airplane mode?
- Seizure of the device if one is arrested. There is legal debate about what methods law enforcement can use to get into the phone. One is exposing both whatever pictures and video was made at the protest but everything else going on in one’s life too.
- If one has a unique case or model, one can be doxxed.
Action cameras are cheap, durable, and many come without any radios that can be used to track someone. They all look the same. Using a brand new sd card means that the only data on there is the pictures/video taken at the protest. The major downside is that if they are seized, they are an open book for law enforcement since they are unencrypted. If the sd card is taken or destroyed then one loses any evidence along with it.
Krafty Kactus ( @tkk13909@sopuli.xyz ) English11•4 months agoWhy shouldn’t you bring your phone?
Edit for y’all who thought I don’t know what cell triangulation and gps tracking are: If you’re involved in protesting to the extent that you might be actively tracked, you should have the proper precautions in place on your phone that make it untraceable even when you’re carrying it with you.
Edit 2: “Proper precautions” includes using GrapheneOS with 2 SIMs. Only use one of those SIMs at protests and make sure to never use them at the same time. If the government is tracking you past that point, why do you even have a phone in the first place?
Zuberi 👀 ( @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 10•4 months agoTell me you have 0 OPSEC without directly telling me you have 0 OPSEC
LoamImprovement ( @LoamImprovement@beehaw.org ) 9•4 months agoYeah, like if you’re going to the trouble of getting a faraday bag or a lead lined case or whatever you think makes it untraceable… Just leave it at home? It’s a liability.
Primarily0617 ( @Primarily0617@kbin.social ) 6•4 months agoyour phone can’t work if your carrier doesn’t know where you are
on top of that, advertisers put bluetooth receivers everywhere, which will log your phone as having been nearby, even if you don’t connect
on top of that, you can do the same bluetooth trick with wifi endpoints
plus your phone has a gps/glonass/whatever receiver in it
probably other reasons too but those are the ones i can think of off the top of my head
yes you can maybe mitigate all of these, but there are probably ones i haven’t thought of that people much smarter than me have, so why take the risk?
0x2d ( @0x2d@lemmy.ml ) 1•4 months agographeneos with 2 sims
are there dual sim pixels now?
Krafty Kactus ( @tkk13909@sopuli.xyz ) English1•4 months agoNormal sim and Esim. You can have both at the same time iirc
Krafty Kactus ( @tkk13909@sopuli.xyz ) English1•4 months agoNormal sim and Esim. You can have both at the same time iirc
Krafty Kactus ( @tkk13909@sopuli.xyz ) English1•4 months agoNormal sim and Esim. You can have both at the same time iirc
dylanmorgan ( @dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net ) 7•4 months agoGood work, friend.
Hootz ( @Hootz@lemmy.ca ) 6•4 months agoThis is why I love the west coast of Canada, I can talk to the cops all I want, I can call them pigs, I can tell them they should learn to do their jobs, I can just straight up troll them and it’s protected.
It doesn’t mean they won’t be absolutely shitty about it and try to start shit though.
KeenFlame ( @KeenFlame@feddit.nu ) 2•4 months agoThere’s many many many other reasons it’s not a good idea during a protest