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A big FUCK YOU to all Tories, Terfs and similar asshats.
Edit: I’ll donate money to Gender GP even harder from now on.
Go check the UnitedKingdom subreddit if you want to see the celebratory bloodlust of the average Briton, the blatant alternative truths and so on, and this is of the young progressive sort, the average 40+ boomeroid probably no longer bothers with that mask even.
I am so tired. I’ve fought the good fight for so long for my people but in the end it’s like it was all pointless.
Go check the UnitedKingdom subreddit if you want to see the celebratory bloodlust of the average Briton
urgh, remind me to never follow that advise again. What a bunch of hateful, clueless assholes.
Haven’t they always been like that?
r/GreenAndPleasant split off from them for a reason
Good, there’s not enough scientific evidence to claim it’s safe for children, hence the ban…
We have decades of studies. You do not know what you are talking about.
Clearly NHS based their decision on different studies, but by all means feel free to share
Why should I bother trying to educate you when you won’t even leave the article you’re arguing over?
Puberty blockers have been well-studied and widely-used since the late 1980s. They have been routinely used to pause puberty in adolescents experiencing gender dysphoria, treat children who enter puberty too early and help adults living with a range of other medical conditions.
Links included in the article btw. Go nuts. But please, by all means, tell me how we don’t have almost 40 years of research on this proving this policy is unnecessary.
Both the health service in Sweden and Britain has recommended a complete stop to hormone blockers to children, citing lack of evidence to support the procedure.
And yet here you are, with studies and shit, saying the complete opposite. Maybe you can take your ‘evidence’ (and no, the linked article is not an unbiased source) to them; they might change their minds. Seems to me the right course of action since you are so invested.
Doctors used to regularly treat patients with mercury and blood letting. Then more data came out to say it was bad so they stopped doing it. That’s how medicine works.
no, it wasn’t “more data”, it was just data. blood letting and mercury are pre-scientific treatments that were in use during the 1600s. puberty blockers were developed with a modern understanding of hormones, and extensively tested before they saw use in a clinical setting. you might as well have brought up magic as a legitimate medical practice that we eventually proved wrong. like, no duh, but it also has basically no bearing on the safety of a chemically synthesized hormone inhibitor invented in the 20th century.
Those weren’t evidence based treatments to begin with. When we got evidence we stopped using them.
Puberty blockers already have evidence. They’ve been used since the 80s.
Funny that international studies show otherwise…
Welcome to my blocked list.
Given the drug has been used for almost 40 years. Lack of evidence it is safe. Is just a political way of saying we have no evidence it is dangerous.
After 40 years of clinical use. With many patients benifiting from its application. And the medications passing the medical trials standards of the 1980s. Pretty much any other medication the NHS has banned or restricted use of. Was because of new evidence. Not the lack of it. I say pretty much. Because cost and politics has been used in the past. The NHS was just more open about the reasons.
Restricting a long used medicine with a lack of evidence. Is a political not a scientific choice.
I have no idea what you source those beliefs on but research dome in Sweden just last year concludes:
Data on the effects on psychosocial health are lacking but there is some evidence that hormonal treatment may impact on bone maturation.
So no, I would not claim it is risk free, especially when given to children.
I’m not particularly well educated on the subject but according to the BBC:
Fewer than 100 young people in England are currently prescribed puberty blockers by the NHS. They will all able to continue their treatment.
So why such a big fuss?
Blocks any future access to trans kids
Can puberty blocking be reversed at a later date?
Or can blocked puberty be reverted later?
I could agree with a ban whole heatedly if blocking can’t be reversed and blocked cannot be reverted, but I would likely to oppose a ban it if blocking can be reversed and blocked could be reverted.
Gets a little fuzzy if it’s one or the other though.
Wouldn’t want someone to miss their only chance to block puberty, but also wouldn’t want someone to make a permanent choice at 13-14 which can’t be reversed if they want to later on.
puberty blockers are used explicitly to delay having to go through puberty. they are used for kids who have precocious puberty (puberty that starts too early), as well as for trans kids. there are some marginal risks associated with them, you might grow a bit shorter, or just generally develop differently that you might have if you had allowed puberty to progress on time, but there aren’t specific health challenges people who use them face. the reason you take them is to explicitly prevent somebody from going through irreversible changes they might not like before they can make an informed decision, or before it is healthy for those changes to occur.
interestingly, most of the poor health outcomes of precocious puberty are psychological and social, not physical, which is, i think, an interesting parallel to the trans experience.
You just stop taking them, and your body will start going through puberty. Like the other response said, they’re used for cis children as well when they start too early for their body to be able to handle. As with any medicine there can be side effects.
When you stop taking them puberty continues as normal.
We’ve been using them for a long time on people who start puberty too early. And know they are effective and safe.
Scientist have collected all the data and decided the experts on Lemmy are wrong.
Complete miss characterisation. It is lack of data the NHS is arguing with. Not scientific evidence.
The article is bluntly stating that the NHS has made this choice because no evidence of the long term safty exists. Not because scientists say it is unsafe.
Glyndŵr, os ydych wedi gorffen cael te yn y bryniau hynny, gallem ddefnyddio llaw.