This is another post that alerted me of this.
https://lemmy.world/post/13287681
And here is the modlog:
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModRemoveCommunity
Just a quick update, lemmy.world has posted an update that explains their decision here: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/16795373
TLDR is that the person who removed the community is fairly new to the mod team and didn’t realize there was a bit of a history to this situation. Also, looks like they are sticking with the decision this time around though.
Please don’t harass the lemmy.world admins/mods though - if you don’t like the situation you are free to register here or on another instance. And if you aren’t a lemmy.world user, then this doesn’t affect you at all.
I’m proud of our community here, and it’s their loss, not ours!
- updated the link
The translation is, “It wasn’t us don’t get angry, but also it kind of was one of us and also we are sticking by the decision so it may as well have been us.” I don’t really see that it matters if the story is true - in the best possible case they’re just saying that they don’t have a way of setting policies and having those policies be followed.
If we’ve learned anything from centralised platforms it’s that size doesn’t protect platforms from the consequences of making bad decisions.
Guess who just created a second account 👍
Would be nice if there was a Firefox extension or something to ‘merge accounts’ as a workaround. Make things a little easier in situations like this.
I did the same. Fuck that noise.
Why are people joining .world to begin with? The entire point of this is to decentralize. Joining the by far largest instance beats the entire purpose.
Join smaller ones like lemmy.one, lemmy.club, lemmings.world, lemmy.zip etc. We might need to start specifically recommending against .world and for general purpose instances like those.
Also, funny how even reddit allows r/Piracy but not .world lol
Sync had Lemmy.world as the default instance to register a new account (might still be the case, I’m not sure). One of the factors for sure.
So does Voyager, Raccoon, and Eternity. Everything is just defaulting to it and it’s infuriating.
Trying to think of any place that didn’t/doesn’t default to them
The dev really needs to change that then.
Perhaps have a system of selecting randomly from a set of hand-picked general purpose instances at sign-up, where having less people gives it a higher chance of being picked (if it’s of at least a certain size of course, to prevent spam etc)
Agree, but easier said than done
I’m a programmer and it really is quite easy to implement lol
The issue is not about the implementation, but the filter: which criteria do you use to select instances that are eligible for the pool of instances? I’m genuinely asking because I think it takes some time to have a look on instances for people to make the best choice.
You’re overthinking it. Select a few of the popular ones and be done with it
Why are people joining .world to begin with?
Because how it works when you first join is very confusing, and why you would choose any particular server is not clear at all.
Also, people want to join something that is bigger and more active because it feels like it would be better (more stable, more content, etc.)
In all fairness I applied to 5 Lemmy instances when the Reddit downfall started, including .ca and .world. .ml to date is still the only one to have processed my application. It may have been due to lots of applications at the time but the sheer fact my application is still pending on the other 4 instances leads me to use the one that actually works as opposed to the first one I chose.
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Because they have no basis on which to decide where to go. It’s like buying toothpaste but there are hundreds of options, none of which you know anything about, so you get whichever seems most popular. It minimises the risk of ending up with something which is unpopular for good reasons.
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Lemmy.world is also notoriously mismanaged and has had dubious privacy issues in the past, such as their Discord situation regarding user messages
What happened to the messages in their Discord?
What I heard was a bot to send in ip from certain instances
dubious privacy issues
They’re also federated with threads so I wouldn’t be surprised at all. I’m a fool for sticking around in there as long as I have.
Also, don’t put all your eggs in one basket: diversify, diversify, diversify. Make a main account, but have more on at least one other instance. Instances go down for maintenance, software gets updated, owners change moderation policies, so on. If you can’t get to Lemmy through your main, use your secondary.
Personally I use lemmy.sdf.org as my secondary. It’s run by a bunch of retro-enthusiast Unix nerds who more care about the functionality of the tech than anything else. No blocked communities there, and AFAIK they haven’t defederated from any instance outside of ones that were hacked/compromised. That does not mean you can just go there and be a shitbird though, they do have standards.
I don’t disagree at all but I can kind of understand why a lemmy instance would block piracy communities. Reddit has many millions of dollars and a squad of lawyers to back them up, lemmy admins don’t.
Lemmy is confusing enough for people who are not used to its idea. Everybody new and with FOMO immediately went for the bigger instances.
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The speed that this happened suggests they might have gotten spooked by something. Put down the pitchforks mates and give them a chance to explain first.
EDIT: Welp, I expected an explanation by now…
If there’s anything they should be spooked by, it’s the pitchforks!
Ill take a pitchfork in the guts any day if it keeps me away from being a debt slave to Disney for the rest of my life.
Don’t you guys have an admin chat group. Or at least you guys would have some way of keeping in touch since this has happened before.
We do, in fact. They never gave a heads-up, and none has responded until now. I found about this from this post
Well at least they honored their commitments /s
To be fair they do say they “need to be” transparent, not that they were going to be :p
“Just a heads up for when we do this again: we know that it sucks, and we are doing it anyway.”
🤣
because lemmy.world is yours as much as it is ours.
It’s funny because someone on their team started banning people from that thread for disagreeing with their stance then when called out for it they quietly changed the instance bans for community bans, in an awesome display of pure pettiness one would normally see on Reddit.
When I described the previous removal as LW having a feud with dbzer0, that was why.
That’s unfortunate.
They got lawyered maybe.
I’m doubtful
😞 🧑🌾
Wouldn’t be surprised if they got some personally delivered letters from the legal department of a big media company, given that they blocked visibility to some magazines on other servers.
Per https://lemmy.world/post/13320356, they got a takedown notice and started going through everything with a fine toothed comb.
average lemmy.world moment
being the biggest has it’s problems
its
of itself
Luckily it doesn’t affect anything beyond people who insist on using only one instances (world). Glad to have dbzer0 around.
I have four accounts on the four instances that host communities I am interested in.
It’s a mild pain and definitely not what we were promised, but I guess that’s the only way federation can really work in practice (especially considering when an instance is blocked user on the blocker side just continue to see it frozen in time, with no warning as to what’s going on)
It’s a mild pain and definitely not what we were promised
I think this is precisely what the ActivityPub model of federation promised, actually 😅
Are the 4 instances defederated from eachother? If they aren’t then you could just have 2 accounts
Best play, run your own instance and federate with whoever you want :D
Takes away some of the anonymity though, even with domain registrar obfuscation etc., they’d probably disclose the owner to a request from whatever authority comes knocking. And if you’re based in a jurisdiction where piracy is explicitly forbidden, federating with db0 and effectively co-hosting links to prohibited content might open a whole other can of worms. And not everyone is technically competent enough to run and maintain an instance, even if the initial setup works out with one of the how-to’s.
and if you’re really technical and really want to you can even bypass other people’s defederation attempts against you.
You ever get the feeling for a flowchart?
Someone please make one.
Same. Beehaw is my main, but I also have a Kbin account (which I know is technically different), and then a LW account, which I almost never sign into.
Even my Mastodon account is separate. It’s fine this way. I don’t need everything on one account. With a password manager, it’s not like I have to remember passwords anyway.
I think a solution would be to have instances without communities.
It sucks, but I’m really trying to find instances with the most federation. I’d rather censor things myself than to have some useful idiot do it for me.
“Instance A blocked instance B, so now we have to use instance C to communicate with both.” Seems kind of roundabout, which is why I’m looking for the ‘ever-C’ instance that federates with the most.
I mean, the real end solution is to host your own server. Then you can federate/defederate with whoever the hell you want. As long as you don’t do anything to get banned from a specific instance, you’ll be fine.
But that’s more work than most people are willing to put into a Reddit clone.
Sigh.
On the up side, if anyone wants in, they are free to create accounts on other instances
The part that annoys me is that this was done silently even though last time they said they would ask their users. Hopefully it was just an admin that didn’t get the last memo.
Edit: the community -> their users
I suspect something involving law enforcement or legal. Still would love if LW admins updated on this.
Indeed, especially with 0.19 that allows you to migrate your subs and block lists in two clicks
Wish that was around when I moved from lemmy.world to lemm.ee some time ago. It would have saved me a bit of time. Nice that it’s there for the future, though.
Any good pro piracy instances?
Yepp - the one this community is on 🏴☠️
Would be a good time to finally leave .world behind. That instance is way too big
I moved to lemm.ee from .world the last time they banned these communities, as a momentarily fix, never cared to look back as here was better managed, no censorship, quicker updates and no noticeable downtimes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
me too, enjoy seeing the occasional hexbear, ml, lemmygrad, etc
Honestly, seeing enough of their posts and discussions over the months turned me from left-leaning to a full-blown commie
Same here. They also had issues with downtime around same time.
Yeah, it was very annoying because Lemmy.world was down very often, not their fault in most cases though.
Did this ever get fixed?
They might have. Last post in their announcement community regarding downtime is this one.
Did you import your .world data to .ee?
I did with a tool I found in GitHub long ago, I think that is not needed anymore as Lemmy has included a similar tool within the user web page settings.
Oh really? How do I find this?
Another reason why I like Fediverse
If Lemmy.world would have full control over it, this community would just get banned, but there’s more and it is still accessable from all other places
If any admins of lemmy.world are around, I created !westcoastedm@lemmy.dbzer0.com for the explicit reason of sharing copyright protected music. Can you ban it too? Wouldn’t want to get you guys in trouble with mommy and daddy.
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lmao i don’t think their political affiliation is strictly related to how much of a pussy they are in this context
No communist, anarchist, or anyone lefty in general would ban a piracy community — short of getting in legal trouble or something, which is not what happened here.
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What does that even mean
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If we’re to have any chance at convincing more Reddit users to join the Fediverse, the main Lemmy and Kbin instances need to stick together. While the piracy community being among the biggest arguably doesn’t make for great optics (having a greater variety of communities above the 50k user mark would help bring more users to Lemmy), a fragmented federation only helps Reddit. Beyond that, this community has rules in place to ensure that posts stick to the discussion of piracy, and not piracy itself.
But a federation is fragmentation. If the only thing that doesn’t help reddit is another centralized system, then that’s really just a claim that private ownership of the internet is good, actually, so long as we like the owners.
Nah I wouldn’t want Lemmy to attract anti-piracy bootlickers (specially considering why we left Reddit for Lemmy in the first place). This being the largest community is a good filter imo.
Defederation really should be last resort, a lot of admin use it as a first one. (Even dbzer0 censors 187 instances)
The vast majority of those (on the dbzer0 list) are obviously just copied from someone’s medium-sized mastodon blocklist, which in this case mostly includes instances that definitely deserve it. I recognize only a few dubious choices in there, and none that are completely indefensible.
The instances in our blocklist are based on the fediseer. It’s mostly CSAM, Bigoted and potentiall spam instances.
The current fediseer censured list seems much larger and correspondingly more problematic in places. You’ve started out with a good list, hope you exercise due caution in adding to it.
The fediseer censure list is relative to which instances you’re referencing. There’s no absolute “fediseer censure list”
Yeah, sorry, I’ve never really looked at it before. But its web UI just shows them all as one big list. I wouldn’t mind seeing a list of those censured by more than 10 instances, or all of a selected group of instances… is that in the API?
Yes you can do that in the API, as well as filter by tags. You can also select your instance references on the UI
A few of the bigger instances have been very open about the fact that they’re anti-piracy, anti-porn, etc and removing this community is par for the course with such a stance.
What does that mean for the average user? It means there’s more incentive to move to better instances. It’s when instances have such a monopoly on users and communities that people should not only move, but advocate for other people moving to smaller instances.
Also a major benefit of not being federated by large instances is that there’s less surface area for search engines and thus resources last longer.
Imo the issue here is that how Lemmy works right now, or maybe just its apps, seems to have the trend of pushing most people onto the largest instance(s) like .world
If the point of the Fediverse is to have a decentralized userbase, that trend needs to be reversed.
Even if we give .world admins the benefit of the doubt and say they got in legal trouble or something this time, having a userbase properly spread across many instances would prevent that instance from being the obvious target.
You’re not wrong. But people are lazy. They want to go where everyone is and have FOMO they’ll miss something good by not being on the biggest instance.
Instance checks out lol
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A disunited federation is still a federation.
AFAIK, lemmy.world cannot remove !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com (but block this community or instance), because lemmy.world is another instance.
Pirates interested in this communities will find a way to lurk or participate.
Sigh. At least the benefits of federation include being free to move into other instances while LW can pull stuff like this (probably because they get the heat from being the largest instance).
