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NightOwl ( NightOwl@lemmy.ca )  to World News@lemmy.ml · 3 years ago

Russia warns United States: use of SpaceX for spying makes its satellites a target

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Russia warns United States: use of SpaceX for spying makes its satellites a target

www.reuters.com

NightOwl ( NightOwl@lemmy.ca )  to World News@lemmy.ml · 3 years ago
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  • Ilovethebomb ( Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz ) 
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    Starlink launches forty-ish Starlink sats every other week, Russia could deplete it’s entire arsenal of missiles and, if they’re lucky, cause a hole in their coverage.

    • warm ( warm@kbin.earth ) 
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      Starlink needs deleting too, so that would be perfect.

      • Ilovethebomb ( Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz ) 
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        As someone who spends a lot of time in the outdoors, I have to disagree with you. I’m very excited about how this will simplify logistics, and make getting weather etc much easier.

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          The skies are already polluted with Starlink satellites and there’s even more coming. I agree that is does solve some situations, but it’s being done for profit, not for undeveloped areas. Sticking more shit in our skies for money is really sad, I am surprised there’s not more international regulations for this kind of satellite spam.

          • Ilovethebomb ( Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz ) 
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            but it’s being done for profit, not for undeveloped areas.

            This is such a Lemmy comment, there’s nothing evil about providing a service for a price.

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              Not on its own. Polluting the skies for profit is the problem. Why the cherry picking though?

              • Ilovethebomb ( Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz ) 
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                Do you also think cell towers are “polluting the landscape”?

                • warm ( warm@kbin.earth ) 
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                  Of course cell towers are an eye sore. Though they are more necessary than starlink, often hidden by landscape or on top of buildings anyway. It’s not the “gotcha” comparison you think it is.

            • ReversalHatchery ( ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org ) 
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              Providing a service for a price is not the problematic part.
              The problem with serial killers isn’t that they want money in exchange, either.

              • Ilovethebomb ( Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz ) 
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                That makes absolutely no sense.

                • ReversalHatchery ( ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org ) 
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                  Oh it does, despite you not understanding it. The point is that even though someone does something for money, that does not mean what they do is not harmful.

                  And before you ask say this does not have to do anything with this topic, the reason I said that, is that I think what spacex is doing here is harmful.

            • Cowbee [he/they] ( Cowbee@lemmy.ml ) 
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              What’s evil is what that incentivizes. It’s not solving problems but building profit.

        • CanadaPlus ( CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ) 
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          If there were more third-world people here they’d probably agree with you as well. Last I checked there’s like one or two cables going into the entire continent of Africa.

          It’s actually a really good idea, with the main exception being the impact on astronomy. That Musk happens to be the guy behind this first network is just an unfortunate coincidence.

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            • Zink ( Zink@programming.dev ) 
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              Starlink is probably a stopgap measure for areas that still have to build up the physical infrastructure for the real solution.

              It’s more of a solution for having internet available just about anywhere. Probably good for various emergency/rescue scenarios.

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                • Zink ( Zink@programming.dev ) 
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                  Sad American upvote for that. I can’t imagine how this country must look to people around the world.

            • CanadaPlus ( CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ) 
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              Ah. Yeah, I guess that’s true. It is an American thing. Would you feel better if it was European or Chinese?

              Wire infrastructure is great, but it’s just damn expensive, and manufacturing+laying it can be very specialised labour. Even here in Canada not everyone has it in rural areas. Meanwhile, small satellite swarms pass over everywhere by force of geometry, and are actually still pretty fast internet.

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                • CanadaPlus ( CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ) 
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                  Yeah, development is a “sticky wicket”. I didn’t mean to speak on your behalf when you’re there to speak for yourself, so sorry about that.

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      • Player2 ( Player2@lemm.ee ) 
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        Enjoy spreading misinformation online? There are valid criticisms against LEO constellations but Kessler syndrome is not one of them

        • off_brand_ ( off_brand_@beehaw.org ) 
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          ??

          Did you read the comment? It’s not about LEO satellites. It’s about a military arsenal destroying a fleet of LEO satellites. The satellites won’t do a Kessler, but a fleets worth of shrapnel would be a problem.

      • Saik0 ( Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com ) 
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        Which is exactly why Russia only needs a handful of rockets at most. You only need to make debris. The rest will sort itself out.

    • matcha_addict ( matcha_addict@lemy.lol ) 
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      I’m pretty sure that starlink satellites are orders of magnitudes more expensive to manufacture and deploy than the weapons that can target them.

      • Ilovethebomb ( Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz ) 
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        How do you know that? You’re launching an entire rocket to kill one satellite, that can’t be cheap.

        • ReversalHatchery ( ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org ) 
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          Yes, it is probably expensive, but a satellite is probably even more expensive, and not just by a little.

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            I don’t think it is… one of the satellites cost USD 250k in 2019. it is likely cheaper now.

            There have been Anti Satellite Weapon tests (for example from China) to see if it is feasible. The cost for such an attack would be much much higher than 250k (we are talking multiple millions)

            • Ilovethebomb ( Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz ) 
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              They do have more equipment on them now, so it’s possible they’ve gone up in cost.

            • ReversalHatchery ( ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org ) 
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              Hmm you made me think and if they use their reusable rockets tech and maybe some other similar things, it may be cheaper in the end because they save a lot of money in places where others don’t

          • Ilovethebomb ( Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz ) 
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            I doubt it, not at the rate they throw them up.

  • Chefdano3 ( Chefdano3@lemm.ee ) 
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    Can’t wait to hear about space X satellites falling out of a window.

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      • NoIWontPickAName ( NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth ) 
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        You seem stressed, would you like a cup of tea?

      • Honytawk ( Honytawk@lemmy.zip ) 
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        We’d stop, if the joke wasn’t relevant anymore.

        But I doubt Putin will fall out of a window himself anytime soon.

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    Spy satellites have always been valid targets. I don’t think they’re any more likely to shoot these ones down than any of the others.

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    Musk supports Russia so what’s the play here

    • Lath ( Lath@kbin.earth ) 
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      That CIA - SpaceX combo to make spy satellites mentioned some days back.

      • tiredturtle ( tiredturtle@lemmy.ml ) 
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        Huh, found that news on Google. So Musk is quite publicly doing something in secret, with the CIA and Russia. Definitely fishy

  • some_guy ( some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org ) 
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    Blast Lonnie’s bullshit out of the sky and see if I care.

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      Yeah. Targeting SpaceX might be less provocative than a DoD-operated satellite, but either way Russia would be crazy to do it.

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  • Trebuchet ( Trebuchet@lemm.ee ) 
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    Win-win

  • MeetInPotatoes ( MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.ml ) 
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    So…Goldeneye part 2?

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