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I mean we can also make long lasting clothes out of natural fibers without hurting animals.
Not everywhere. Many places its much more sustainable to make clothes from the animals you are eating and it makes sure that you aren’t wasting any of the life you’ve taken that you need to survive.
You also don’t need to eat the animals to survive.
True…and you don’t need to live in a house, or use the Internet, or have a bank account, or have a computer/mobile…all things that have caused catastrophic damage to the environment and killed countless animals.
One has to draw a line somewhere- perhaps you shouldn’t be holier than though just because you draw the line at “I don’t want to see the evidence of the death”
I mean I just said a fact, sorry if I upset you.
Just a very common case of leftists being anti-exploitation until it involves reconsidering what goes on their plates.
Maybe YOU don’t have to eat animals to survive. What a privilege u you have that you live in a place where vegetation can be grown in your area or more likely shipped there cheaply(not free of harm to the environment or people\animals). But your experience is not universal there are places on earth that people live where that is not an option. And some of those people have been living there sustainably for 10s of thousands of years. Not to speak of people who’s body needs meat to live because of some other reason. You can not eat animals and that’s fine but it doesn’t replace the science of how to stop environmental damage.
Obviously if someone needs to eat meat to live I’m not going to object. And people living sustainably and not just supporting the animal ag industry are also off the hook in my books.
But in regards to your weird vegetation stuff, I hope you’re aware that the livestock are raised on vegetation and will typically consume more calories of feed than they provide with meat? This is a large part of why the Amazon is being deforested, it’s to feed livestock, not vegans. The science on how to stop environmental damage is pretty clear on that one.
Vegans in western cultures have access to dietary supplements derived from non-animal sources. That’s basically impossible without access to modern industrial food processes.
If we’re talking about cultures without ready access to plant fibers for clothes, then they’re not going to have vegan supplements, either.
No evangelizing
Is that a rule here??
Go vegan.
I do.
Wool is one of those natural fibers that can be harvested without harming the animal. Even if you end up eating the goat/sheep, it can provide a few coats of wool before hand.
Yes this is true but a lot of places can’t mantain a sheep herd, because it is too cold or to dry for grasses and food for the sheep
In Ireland where there are a lot of sheep theyre an ecological disaster (if you think having biologically diverse forests is a good thing)
My fiance has a skin allergy to wool
I’m privileged enough to have a choice in that regard, haven’t eaten any animals in months. Sometimes I’m a naughty boi and eat some chicken tho.
You can indeed. But growing cotton has already resulted in environmental changes beyond my comprehension.
I guess the first step should be to adapt a habit of clothes repair
Nice example of a false equivalency…
False dichotomy? If so I agree
I think both. But either way, I am fine.
Leather doesn’t breathe and you don’t kill sheep for their wool. What are you talking about?
Processed leather generally isn’t biodegradable.
It is though? Sure, you can’t just throw it on a compost pile and wait a few weeks for it to rot away. That’s why leather is processed (tanned) in the first place, otherwise it would be a pretty useless material.
But it will biodegrade. In a few years instead of thousands of years like plastics.
It depends on the process. Some processes literally make leather non-biodegradable. I’m not saying that faux leather is any better I’m just saying it’s more complicated than people realise. The leather industry could certainly use some improvement.
Yes it is. It doesn’t take 1000s of years for leather to breakdown
Last time I checked we didnt have to kill sheep to get their wool to make clothes. Does wool not last as long or did I miss something?
And we are missing cotton
itchy :(
isnt there this mushroom based fakeleather stuffthingie?
this for example:
https://mylo-unleather.com/material/
ok the animation is kinda gross… if you find fungi gross, but i think these are just fun little guys also, i guess its more of a thing in the future when there is more competition in the market of mycelium based textiles or whatever and prices arent that crazy…
I’ve looked at some plant based leather alternatives, and most of them mostly contain polyurethane or a similar plastic. Additionally, they tend to be not very durable.
cool, but mushrooms arent plants
Right, forgot we’re talking about mushrooms, but the same applies.
i havent seen either type myself, just heard of mycelium based leathers existence and thought to share.
and check my other comment too, mylo looks more decorative than anything on their website, with patches glued on a pair of pants… idk what that is supposed to be telling the viewer, but surely it isnt “leather pants”
What the fuck… devilstrand from Rimworld is real??
Your mom is real, she’s nice and did a good job making you
I have no idea what this means lmao
I made a your mom joke
But instead of berating her. I complimented her and you
well, i havent tried that stuff myself so cannot speak about their properties, bu~ut looking at the pictures… did they just glue the stuff on a pair of pants? ._.
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The cattle industry is horrid. Boycotting or avoiding leather goods is not the lever that will harm the industry. Using leather goods means less waste from the meat industry. Leather items are good
I’m not vegan, nor am I opposed to leather goods, but this doesn’t make sense. You’re assuming that leather is strictly a byproduct of the meat industry and given for free to leather suppliers. In reality, they sell the hides. In effect, leather subsidizes meat products by providing the meat industry with extra revenue.
Sure, they sell the hides to the leather industry, but that’s just kind of convenient for them to do. If they couldn’t sell the hides, they’d still be selling the meat. But the cattle industry could not get by on selling the hides without the meat.
Leather is simply small potatoes in comparison
If you disagreed with killing animals for meat to begin with, you’d find this a very bizarre statement. It’s like saying we should use human teeth as a building material because it reduces waste from police violence.
That’s a pretty good idea, anything that might take a bite out of the tooth fairy monopoly.
I’m looking for change in our systems, but I recognize that the system is far bigger than me or you. I’m not going to lose sleep living in the only system I have access to. But in the meantime, I will bother politicians hoping to change the system that way.
I don’t think beating your wife should be legal, and I will bother politicians to chance the law. But while I’m waiting for that, of course I will continue to beat my wife. It’s the way things are.
Apples to oranges. I’m not debating you anymore
How so? The system of patriarchy is beyond any one individual to solve. Yet I’m damn certain you believe every man should still do their best not to contribute. Why should the system of animal exploitation (and environmental destruction, while we’re at it) be any different?
Is it because one of these requires actual work on your side? You are the one measuring the same thing by two different standards.
But you don’t have to eat meat or wear leather, and the current system relies on supply and demand.
Will nobody think of the profits?? The sweet sweet short-term profits of somebody else?
/s
Oh god, don’t start wearing more fur. I can barely breath around other humans as it is with all the shit y’all have on.
Eewooo eewooo, false dichotomy alarm!!!
It puts the lotion on the skin…
