I was thinking that maybe such idea could be applied on a Linux phone that could run all your banking apps without Waydroid’s “you-must-be-a-hacker” issues, literally by having a half-asleep Android running on another chip, which you can wake up whenever to do your “non-hacker” things, while at the same time you can run the rest of your system (calls, messaging, calculator, calendar, browser…) on your lightweight, private and personalized Linux mobile OS.
I think I would pay big bucks for something like this, and it could serve as a transition device for ditching Android in the future when Tux finally governs over the world.
What do you guys think?
That already exists with waydroid. It’s what people use on the Librem 5 and PinePhone to run linux apps. It would save much more battery if it were at OS level, but I assume that would be akin to merging Android and mobile linux distros and a lot more work.
Why do you have the impression that waydroid has a “you must be a hacker” issue?
Does waydroid support safetynet? That seems to be what op is talking about
SafetyNet is deprecated and replaced by “Google Play Certification” checks. This means any custom OS may be blocked. Its pretty horrible.
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Safetynet worked at some point, but it’s proprietary tech that changes on a whim. Any other emulator or container will probably run into the same problem. Starting an entire new emulator with the purpose of circumventing safetynet or other proprietary attestation is an effort that could’ve gone into making it work on waydroid instead.
I doubt it does, google would never approve that. Maybe if it would pretend to be an other, genuine device, but I’m not sure the devs want to deal with that
If I am not mistaken, not all apps run on Waydroid, specially banking stuff will freak out because they have systems to know that you are running on true, verified hardware or not.
I’m afraid banking apps cannot be solved. They already require you to install sketchy system mods if you have just rooted your genuine phone with the original OS
I mean, with this dualOS device it would be solved… And recognition of Linux mobile would increase, hopefully making banking apps look for other systems of “verification”.
No, not that easily. Your phone could have 2 flash storages and do all the android stuff in there, with hardware TPM, A/B root, verified boot, rollback prevention, not rooted etc.
Ironically this is not even enforced by those shitty banking apps, GrapheneOS is way more secure and will probably be blocked by some apps soon, as they are not a “google certified OS”, replacing the old SafetyNet.
I see now, you’re partly right. But I don’t think such a device would be “approved by google”, the party who decides which device configurations are “trusted”
@onlinepersona did you change your license? List time I saw, it was CC by SA or something
Text links to the same license. Just using a different text to make it a little bit clearer what it’s for. (Still raises many questions)
Ah, I see
I thought the whole point of android is to be open source. We shouldn’t let Google own it
aosp and android aren’t necessarily one in the same.
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I tried Ubuntu Touch for about a week or two (absolutely broken on the OnePlus 5 btw.) I kind of had a VM of Android on it. I used Waydroid for apps I need, like E-Banking. Waydroid was an absolute mess, it constantly crashed and often played Music via Speaker instead of Bluetooth.
Edit: I really liked the way, how to interact with the whole os. The habit to switch apps and show the sidebar stuck with me for at least a month after my little experience.
Multi-core processors already do this. Give the Android OS a Core or 4, the Linux OS a Core or 4(or however many). The power management already works in the suggested configuration as well: High-power cores are put to sleep when not in use.
The remaining question is whether the hardware virtualization is in place on the specific ARM chip in question to give/confine the one OS(virtualized/parallelized, not dual-booted) a specific Core or set of cores. It could be desirable to give Linux and Android each a low-power core and have them dynamically split the rest, with Linux controlling prioritization.
There are high-powered Linux apps. Moreso than Android in-fact.
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Installing F-Droid via Waydroid should do exactly that, no?
That’s probably more work to do
Yes but the problem is that currently banking apps and possibly other “legally important” apps will freak out running under Waydroid.
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I would like such a device too.
Something like distrobox export for the few apps you need
This should work on Jolla’s Sailfish OS phones as they’re running a legit Android in a sandbox. Unfortunately their hardware support is pretty abysmal if you want all features working - and since it’s legit Android it’s also not free (monetary) and Sailfish OS’s UI toolkit is also not free (freedom).
edit: also, last time I checked, Bluetooth support for Android apps is terrible, basically only audio work(s|ed).
