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- gnutrino ( @gnutrino@programming.dev ) English64•5 months ago
Did not know the thing about purposefully adding rogue tabs to kconfig files to catch poorly written parsers. That’s fucking hilarious and I’d love to have the kind of clout to get away with something like that rather than having to constantly work around other people’s mistakes.
- Toribor ( @Toribor@corndog.social ) English64•5 months ago
I write a lot of scripts that engineers need to run. I used to really try to make things ‘fail soft’ so that even if one piece failed the rest of the script would keep running and let you know which components failed and what action you needed to take to fix the problem.
Eventually I had so many issues with people assuming that any errors that didn’t result in a failure were safe to ignore and crucial manual steps were being missed. I had to start making them ‘fail hard’ and stop completely when a step failed because it was the only way to get people to reliably perform the desired manual step.
Trying to predict and account for other people’s behavior is really tricky, particularly when a high level of precision is required.
- unreliable ( @unreliable@discuss.tchncs.de ) 26•5 months ago
It is a developer milestone :) when you learn to be a resilient applicant is about recovery situation you perfect understanding. Fail fast everything else. Repeat 1000 times, you have something
- bort ( @bort@sopuli.xyz ) 7•5 months ago
soft failures add complexity and ambiguity to your system, as it creates many paths and states you have to consider. It’s generally a good idea to keep the exception handling simple, by failing fast and hard.
here is a nice paper, that highlights some exception handling issues in complex systems
https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/osdi14/osdi14-paper-yuan.pdf
- Hexarei ( @Hexarei@programming.dev ) 4•5 months ago
Always fail soft in underlying code and hard in user space IMHO
- TimeSquirrel ( @TimeSquirrel@kbin.social ) 4•5 months ago
This is why I enjoy programming libraries only I will ever use. “Do I need to account for user ignorance and run a bunch of early exit conditions at the beginning of this function to avoid throwing an exception? Naww, fuck it, I know what I’m doing.”
- jcg ( @jcg@halubilo.social ) 2•5 months ago
It’s the quickest way to prove to yourself that you know what you’re doing… Most of the time, anyway…
- Nemoder ( @Nemoder@lemmy.ml ) 33•5 months ago
Hohndel agreed but added that the industry needs to support these smaller projects – and not only with money. “Companies need to engage with these projects. Have your company adopt a couple of such projects and just participate. Read the code, review the patches, and provide moral support to the maintainers. It’s as simple as that.”
Really glad he said this, I keep seeing posts about how all these big companies could solve the problem by just throwing money at small projects and while that is better than nothing it would help way more to have their own developers helping to review and fix issues.
- vort3 ( @vort3@lemmy.ml ) 11•5 months ago
Is there a link to this talk (or interview, or whatever this is) but in a video format, or at least a text without all those «SEE ALSO» self ads?
- thingsiplay ( @thingsiplay@beehaw.org ) 5•5 months ago
Oh, I just asked the same question. I find it terrible article not to link to the source at the beginning or end of article. I would like to read or watch the original interview too.
- umbrella ( @umbrella@lemmy.ml ) 4•5 months ago
not yet, you should run an adblocker
- Antithetical ( @antithetical@lemmy.deedium.nl ) 2•5 months ago
If you’re still interested it seems that they’ve uploaded the keynote, see link in my comment:
https://lemmy.deedium.nl/comment/115389- vort3 ( @vort3@lemmy.ml ) 2•5 months ago
Thanks!
Maybe it’s this one (I’m in a rush here 🙂) ? https://youtube.com/watch?v=VHHT6W-N0ak Someone in the comments writes that the full interview is in the channel of Linux Foundation : https://piped.video/channel/UCfX55Sx5hEFjoC3cNs6mCUQ
- Antithetical ( @antithetical@lemmy.deedium.nl ) 2•5 months ago
Sadly no, that one is three months old. Hopefully they’ll publish it on the Linux Foundation yt channel or something.
- thingsiplay ( @thingsiplay@beehaw.org ) 8•5 months ago
Does anyone have the link for the source of the interview? I’ve looked through the article and couldn’t see it at first glance.
- liara ( @liara@lemm.ee ) English13•5 months ago
Open Source Summit 2024 keynotes. I don’t think any of the recordings are available yet.
- thingsiplay ( @thingsiplay@beehaw.org ) 2•5 months ago
I see. For clarity and preventing some confusing, it would have been a good idea to disclosed that in the beginning of the article. Thanks for the note. I’ll wait until it’s available then.
Would this channel be the place to look forward to? The Linux Foundation: https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/channel/UCfX55Sx5hEFjoC3cNs6mCUQ
- liara ( @liara@lemm.ee ) English3•5 months ago
It literally was in the opening paragraph. Previous years keynotes are available in a playlist here, so I assume they’ll do the same for this year’s keynotes as well. The event only just ended yesterday.
- thingsiplay ( @thingsiplay@beehaw.org ) 4•5 months ago
It literally was in the opening paragraph.
No, I mean they should have disclosed this talk/interview not being ready to the public consumption. Clicking the link just opened up the webpage and I was lost, expecting the watch or read the interview. There is no mention of this being not available yet, despite the link. That’s what I mean being confusing. It’s not the end of the world, and it would also not be the end of the world if they added a note after the link like “(note: talk is not available to watch for the public yet)”.
- Vakbrain ( @Vakbrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English8•5 months ago
Wait a minute… BS stands for “Beautiful Science” now?
- thingsiplay ( @thingsiplay@beehaw.org ) 4•5 months ago
BS stands for Beautiful Soup: https://beautiful-soup-4.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
- Antithetical ( @antithetical@lemmy.deedium.nl ) 2•5 months ago
It seems they’ve uploaded the keynote, see:
Keynote: Linus Torvalds, Creator of Linux & Git, in Conversation with Dirk HohndelCool, thanks for sharing!