itsgroundhogdayagain ( @itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml ) 124•2 months agoOnly US tech companies can harvest all that data from their products, I mean, customers.
queermunist she/her ( @queermunist@lemmy.ml ) 27•2 months agoBanning TikTok in an election year is proof Democrats don’t want to win.
Em Adespoton ( @adespoton@lemmy.ca ) 10•2 months agoWhat’s the overlap between people who vote Republican and people who use Tiktok? I’m actually curious.
queermunist she/her ( @queermunist@lemmy.ml ) 16•2 months agoThe age range skews younger, so probably not huge. It’s definitely there though - lots of “tradwife” thinly disguised fetish content. 😒
There’s a reason Trump came out against this ban, he knows it’s going to be unpopular and he loses nothing by flip-flopping on it.
This is just a free W for Trump and an L for Democrats with literally zero upsides. It accomplishes nothing besides pissing people off!
Em Adespoton ( @adespoton@lemmy.ca ) 7•2 months agoWell, unless there’s a credible national security angle that’s being kept confidential. I kind of suspect there is, since Trump tried to push through similar legislation, but worded it so badly that it never got out of debate… and the likes of Wyden voted for it even while they said it was the wrong legislation to solve the problem.
queermunist she/her ( @queermunist@lemmy.ml ) 8•2 months agoPlease don’t tell me you actually believe them when they cry about national security. It’s almost always a lie.
Em Adespoton ( @adespoton@lemmy.ca ) 8•2 months agoUsually it’s about economics. But in this case, it may actually be true.
Generally, I consider real natsec issues to be things they can’t tell the public. So when I see privacy minded reps joining in with reps from both side of the aisle, I’m willing to lend a bit of credence to a security angle.
Assuming it’s not just the US being upset that some other autocratic government is controlling the medium du jour.
queermunist she/her ( @queermunist@lemmy.ml ) 9•2 months ago… and so by whining about natsec they can get you to support anything, as long as they don’t tell you about it?
Em Adespoton ( @adespoton@lemmy.ca ) 5•2 months agoNo, I ignore the whining and consider it may be an issue based on actual behavior, as I originally stated.
Hence the “in this case, they might be actually telling the truth” from the original statement.
Just because they over-use an excuse doesn’t mean that it isn’t true on the odd occasion.
The problem is that so much crying wolf makes it more difficult to tell when it’s real.
livus ( @livus@kbin.social ) 4•2 months agolots of “tradwife”
Wild, I’ve never stumbled on any of that. But it has a really sensitive algorithm and I’m pretty firmly entrenched in the science-travel-pets axis.
impure9435 ( @impure9435@kbin.run ) 3•2 months agoThey’re both dumb as hell and love to be influenced by autocratic governments
davel [he/him] ( @davel@lemmy.ml ) English11•2 months agoYou’re saying that 1/3 of Americans are dumb as hell while repeating BlueAnonsense.
- IT Pro: Cambridge Analytica models were exaggerated and ineffective, [UK Information Commissioner’s Office] claims
- Wall Street Journal: Mueller Doesn’t Find Trump Campaign Conspired With Russia
- Jacobin: Democrats and Mainstream Media Were the Real Kremlin Assets
- Washington Post: FEC fines DNC, Clinton for violating rules in funding Steele dossier
- Washington Post: Russian trolls on Twitter had little influence on 2016 voters
- Jacobin: It Turns Out Hillary Clinton, Not Russian Bots, Lost the 2016 Election
- Matt Taibbi: Move Over, Jayson Blair: Meet Hamilton 68, the New King of Media Fraud The Twitter Files reveal that one of the most common news sources of the Trump era was a scam, making ordinary American political conversations look like Russian spywork
- Jacobin: Why the Twitter Files Are in Fact a Big Deal On the Left, there’s been a temptation to dismiss the revelations about Twitter’s internal censorship system that have emerged from the so-called Twitter Files project. But that would be a mistake: the news is important and the details are alarming.
- MSNBC Repeats Hamilton 68 Lies 279 Times in 11 Minutes
- Jeff Gerth at Columbia Journalism Review on Russiagate: Editor’s Note | Part one | Part two | Part three | Part four
- Matt Taibbi: WMD, Part II: CIA “Cooked The Intelligence” To Hide That Russia Favored Clinton, Not Trump In 2016
- Chris Hedges: Why Russiagate Won’t Go Away
- Paris Marx: The TikTok ban is all about preserving US power
JillyB ( @JillyB@beehaw.org ) 1•2 months agoYou’d be surprised. I used to work in a rural factory. All the big burly red-neck older men were on tiktok during their smoke breaks.
TimLovesTech (AuDHD)(he/him) ( @TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social ) English9•2 months agoWho votes for the dictator because of losing TikTok?
queermunist she/her ( @queermunist@lemmy.ml ) 11•2 months agoThey’re just going to stay home.
TimLovesTech (AuDHD)(he/him) ( @TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social ) English7•2 months agoWhich is the same as a vote for a dictator. And that is super cool if you are looking forward to Project 2025, and selling out loved ones so they can be put in camps as political prisoners.
queermunist she/her ( @queermunist@lemmy.ml ) 11•2 months ago🤡
Is a vote for Trump actually two votes for Trump? Oh! Is every dollar you don’t donate to Biden a dollar donated to Trump?
TimLovesTech (AuDHD)(he/him) ( @TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social ) English7•2 months agoI’m not following your logic here. Not voting, or actually voting for Trump both work in his favor because his base is going to vote for him no matter what. You would only be hurting the side that wants us to continue to have future elections. But at the end of the day if you can look in the mirror and be ok with selling out democracy more power to ya.
queermunist she/her ( @queermunist@lemmy.ml ) 7•2 months agoThey just passed a fascist bipartisan bill to censor TikTok because it was showing the truth about Gaza and because it was disrupting the preexisting media cartel that already exists in the US. This was part of a larger fascist foreign aid package meant to help Israel carry out its genocide and prolong the war in Ukraine instead of seek a peace deal and help provoke a war in Taiwan by arming them to the teeth and pushing us to fucking WW3. By voting for them you are making it clear that they can do anything they want to you and you’ll beg for more.
I already decided not to vote for genocide Joe a while ago. If I’m going to vote at all, I’m going to vote the way Bushnell did.
Christian ( @christian@lemmy.ml ) English2•2 months agoMathematician here, I can answer this. Equivalence relations are symmetric, so if staying home is a vote for Trump then showing up to vote for Trump is the same as staying home on election day.
queermunist she/her ( @queermunist@lemmy.ml ) 3•2 months agoOkay, but then isn’t staying home also a vote for Biden by the same logic?
This isn’t a binary relation, there’s clearly three options (vote for Biden, vote for Trump, vote for neither).
Christian ( @christian@lemmy.ml ) English1•2 months agoThat doesn’t make any sense. The idea that staying home could be a vote for Biden seems pretty silly on its face. If that were true, there wouldn’t be any point in going out to vote for him, because the majority (or at least a plurality) of the country stays home regardless. He’d win in a landslide.
Melkath ( @Melkath@kbin.social ) 7•2 months agoNo, it’s not.
Abstaining from voting is an option the voter is given.
I bet you have a heck of a time differentiating apples, oranges, and pears.
“A pear is basically just an orange because you didn’t pick the apple.” - TimLovesTech
wildncrazyguy ( @wildncrazyguy@kbin.social ) 2•2 months agoThe guy you replied to has replied in a similar variant of “x event happened, therefore dems don’t want to win.”
Can’t fault them though, he’s just doing his job and following orders. The opposite would be …. Unthinkable
Melkath ( @Melkath@kbin.social ) 6•2 months agoBy the dictator, you mean the one running the genocide and expanding spying on the civilian population as we currently speak, right?
macniel ( @DmMacniel@feddit.de ) 17•2 months agoIf we could have it banned in Europe or just Germany I would be happy for my people.
Tangentism ( @Tangentism@lemmy.ml ) 10•2 months agoOk boomer
Andromxda 🇺🇦🇵🇸🇹🇼 ( @Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 3•2 months agoFucking moron
Dekkia ( @Dekkia@this.doesnotcut.it ) 5•2 months agoWhere do we start and where do we stop with that kind of stuff?
If we ban TikTok we also would need to ban a lot of Social media platforms from the US for the same reason.
Edit: I don’t live in the United States.
Sam_Bass ( @Sam_Bass@lemmy.ml ) 16•2 months agoSayonara
Schorsch ( @Schorsch@feddit.de ) 9•2 months agoGood fucking riddance.
hughesdikus ( @hughesdikus@lemmy.ml ) 5•2 months agoGood riddance? Not really cause US still has clones of tiktok present like reels and shorts.
Nothing will change. Data will still be collected. China can easily buy data from the open market. Mental health will still be affected.
In fact, due to lack of competition, things will only get worse.
US and India are 2 moronic countries
CommanderCloon ( @CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml ) 2•2 months agoShorts fucking suck. It keeps recommending to me exactly four types of videos:
- stuff I have already watched, liked and commented – sometimes a few minutes prior
- videos I’m wildly uninterested with and systematically mark as irrelevant or instantly skip, yet it keeps bringing up videos of the same subject
- very old old “news” shorts
- stuff of people I’m subscribed to – which is fine, just not what makes great algorithms
Meanwhile, in a very short time, tiktok has managed to make me discover communities I had no idea I’d like to watch content from, while subtly managing to stop showing me some of the content from those communities I don’t enjoy
K0W4L5K1 ( @K0W4LSK1@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 14•2 months agoIdk why so many people assumed they would its a data gold mine even with the USA blocked
Allero ( @Allero@lemmy.today ) 11•2 months agoWho would ever think I’ll side with TikTok…
mtchristo ( @mtchristo@lemm.ee ) 7•2 months agoThis makes sense as there still billions of other potential users around the world. Add to that the fact that other nations like content of their own cultures in their own languages. It means even if they will feel the change the platform won’t collapse because it is missing US users. Now If other countries follow in the US footsteps then it becomes a different story.
hughesdikus ( @hughesdikus@lemmy.ml ) 3•2 months agoIf you as a content creator have a choice between a platform with 3 billion people (US and India included), like Shorts and Instagram Reels, and one without (TikTok), where would you post?
This is a clear disadvantage given to tiktok only to protect its own companies cause if US actually cared about data and mental health, homegrown Tech companies would also face repercussions.
LETS NOT FORGET, China can VERY EASILY buy most of the data it needs from the open market which many US companies, including Big Tech contribute to.
This has done nothing for citizens. Only protected innovation less US companies.
HowMany ( @HowMany@lemmy.ml ) 7•2 months agoBut but but… the American government HATES having a light shined on it.
Melkath ( @Melkath@kbin.social ) 2•2 months agoIn fact, even if they wanted to they can’t.
Remember the “algorithm panic” that happened a couple years ago? The one that saw Zuckerberg the subject of a senate hearing?
During that, they made it illegal to sell algorithms.
So the TikTok logo can be sold, but it is illegal for them to sell the algorithm that is TikTok.
bl4kers ( @bl4kers@lemmy.ml ) English12•2 months agoI’m not sure what specifically you’re referring to, but algorithms are, generally speaking, code. You can purchase a company and their code.
Melkath ( @Melkath@kbin.social ) 1•2 months agoAdmittedly, I don’t know the details, so I’ll concede readily if someone has something to say I’m flat out wrong, but TikTok is on fire with lawyers posting their legal analysis of the situation, and the overwhelming concensus that a couple years ago, a series of laws were passed that would make it illegal for a US company to purchase a Chinese algorithm.
The company, the branding, yes.
Specifically the algorithm, no.
Paranoid people who don’t know how to open a PDF passed laws that make that nearly, if not entirely, impossible.
Or so a bunch of lawyers that have side TikTok gigs say.
They are anticipating that being a core argument when TikTok US sues the federal government.
Forrest O. ( @Forrest_O@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 1•2 months agoI feel like this ban WILL start a monopoly. Since Facebook does the same amount or more data mining than TikTok, Facebook will have to be banned alongside Instagram, making YouTube Shorts a monopoly, as there really isn’t any other alternatives that are relevant.
Zacryon ( @Zacryon@lemmy.wtf ) 2•2 months agoThey don’t care about monopoly. They care about evil China. It doesn’t seem to be an issue to strenghten evil Meta and Alphabet.