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originalucifer ( @originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com ) 86•27 days agolack of local accounting means its no longer your operating system, youre now using a perpetually required service from microsoft.
the walled garden is putting the last bricks in place. hope all you windows fans are …happy… asking
applemicrosoft for permission to use your own hardware. testman ( @testman@lemmy.ml ) 81•27 days ago OminousOrange ( @OminousOrange@lemmy.ca ) 24•27 days ago“Our Computer”
hlqxz ( @hlqxz@lemmy.ml ) 1•26 days agoThis is awfully deep. We live in a society.
Cyborganism ( @cyborganism@lemmy.ca ) 27•27 days agoIt’s a real shame. I guess I’ll be running Linux now.
Onihikage ( @Onihikage@beehaw.org ) English8•27 days agoI switched to Bazzite not long after the Recall AI announcement, shrinking my Windows partition to leave it for just VR stuff which currently doesn’t work well outside of Windows, at least on my system. It’s pretty great! Not perfect, but the problems I have on Bazzite are similar enough in quantity and degree to problems I had on Windows that I’ve basically switched out one set of weird OS quirks for another. The big difference is now I don’t have to think about the OS being disrespectful corporate spyware.
Cyborganism ( @cyborganism@lemmy.ca ) 4•27 days agoThat seems like a solid OS. It’s there an Ubuntu based variant?
Onihikage ( @Onihikage@beehaw.org ) English4•26 days agoNot that I know of; Bazzite is completely based on Fedora Atomic Desktops, which are an immutable type of distro that makes the core OS a read-only image that all gets updated separately from system apps. The Ubuntu equivalent of Fedora Atomic Desktops is Ubuntu Core, but I don’t know if Bazzite has a Ubuntu Core-based equivalent. Bazzite is released by a group called Universal Blue, which makes prepackaged OS builds based on Fedora Atomic Desktops, with particular focus areas. Bazzite focuses on including all gaming-related tweaks, apps, configs, and optimizations out of the box, Aurora focuses on general desktop PC functionality, and Bluefin focuses on productivity, but in the end they’re all Atomic/Immutable distros based on Fedora. It’s worth poking through it all and picking one that best suits your needs.
Cyborganism ( @cyborganism@lemmy.ca ) 2•26 days agoWhat parts of the immutable OS are read only? Like filesystem wise? I’m not sure I really get it.
Blisterexe ( @Blisterexe@lemmy.zip ) 2•26 days agoThe basic of immutable desktops is that every system file (what’s outside your home directory (folder) ) is readonly, you can install apps through the app store.
But I’d say Linux mint (a Non-immutable) distro is what you should try first, because it’s more user-friendly and easier to get help for.
Cyborganism ( @cyborganism@lemmy.ca ) 2•26 days agoOh I’ve been using Linux for over 20 years. That’s not an issue.
I have a better idea now of what an immutable distro is thanks to your explanation. I don’t know if that’s what I would want after all.
I think I prefer the freedom of being able to modify my system files and configs as I need to customize my system as I see fit, even if it meansb potentially breaking something.
KyuubiNoKitsune ( @KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 7•27 days agoSame here. I’ll pirate the security updates for the next 3 years and then switch. Fuck Windows 11 and fuck Microsoft.
exscape ( @exscape@kbin.social ) 4•27 days agoYou can still block it easily with the command prompt (Shift+F10 during the install) as mentioned. But don’t let that stop you from switching to Linux if you feel like it.
Chahk ( @chahk@beehaw.org ) 2•26 days agoDidn’t they block the Shift-F10 workaround in 24H2?
helenslunch ( @helenslunch@feddit.nl ) 7•27 days agohope all you windows fans are …happy… asking apple microsoft for permission to use your own hardware.
It’s been this way for decades, really. Apple, Google, MS, etc. Even if they let you use it without an account, they’ll literally never stop pressuring you and annoying you into signing into an account.
psvrh ( @psvrh@lemmy.ca ) 10•27 days agoApple doesn’t actually make it at all difficult to use a Mac or iOS device without an Apple account. You’re asked once during setup and that’s it. At most there’ll be a red dot in Settings>iCloud.
helenslunch ( @helenslunch@feddit.nl ) 11•27 days agoThey do, actually. There’s a bunch of first party software you can’t remove, perpetual notifications you can’t clear about setting up iCloud, etc.
psvrh ( @psvrh@lemmy.ca ) 8•27 days agoThere’s one notice, and it’s in the System Settings app. And it’s a little red dot beside the iCloud section. That’s not really the same league as what Microsoft is doing, or Even Google’s nag to use Chrome across all their Web properties.
You’re right about the first-party apps that you can’t remove, but it’s also not the same as, eg, Edge where those apps are used constantly and your preferences are reset on every update.
On my Mac I set my browser to Firefox in 2018. It’s never reverted to Safari, not once, where Windows really wants me to use Edge and goes so far as to not just reset it periodically, but also direct start menu searches and in-app web links to an ms-edge: url instead of using the http handler.
Apple has problems, but this isn’t one of them.
helenslunch ( @helenslunch@feddit.nl ) 4•27 days agoThat’s not really the same league as what Microsoft is doing
I didn’t say it was. It is intentionally and perpetually annoying, nonetheless.
Auzy ( @Auzy@beehaw.org ) 1•27 days agoYou can’t use a lot of apps without it
So sure you can, but it isn’t an awesome experience
bdonvr ( @bdonvr@thelemmy.club ) 4•27 days agoApple doesn’t require you to make an Apple ID to use a Mac lol
tektite ( @tektite@slrpnk.net ) 9•27 days agoBut apparently you DO need an Apple ID to access an Apple Notes file that was shared to your Android by your crazy ex who doesn’t know that without an iPhone you won’t be able to read their undoubtedly unhinged, rambling guilt trip. Thanks Apple!
originalucifer ( @originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com ) 1•27 days agoits a xmas miracle
toastal ( @toastal@lemmy.ml ) 3•25 days agoWe would have that freedom with Android too if those stupid banking apps stopped trying to dictate what you can run on your hardware & Google giving them more features to do so.
Citizen ( @xilona@lemmy.ml ) 2•25 days agoThis☝️person knows what we are talking about!
CaptObvious ( @CaptObvious@literature.cafe ) 3•27 days agoThe Cask of Amontillado?
robsuto ( @robsuto@lemmy.ml ) English47•27 days agoFuck Microsoft
ofcourse ( @ofcourse@lemmy.ml ) 31•27 days agoWouldn’t it be possible to buy a new PC, open the box, and return it right after because you cannot set it up without internet?
If enough people do it, may be PC manufacturers will force Microsoft to add offline setups.
SecureTaco ( @SecureTaco@lemmy.asc6.org ) English16•27 days agoFunny you say that, setting it up without internet is one of the few ways left to still be able to create a local account.
ofcourse ( @ofcourse@lemmy.ml ) 20•27 days agoIf I understand correctly from the article, you have to enter ‘OOBE\BYPASSNRO’ in command prompt during installation to prevent it from asking to connect to internet. If that’s the only way to set up a local account, that’s hardly an accessible option.
Mio ( @Mio@feddit.nu ) 7•27 days agoIt was not an option one week ago when i tested it. Maybe because I was in WiFi range and Microsoft assumed you have to know the password to at least one of them to pass the wifi screen. No skip button. But could create a new account as unverified using gmail address.
Wave ( @JameUwU@lemmy.ml ) English1•25 days agoLouis Rossman type energy. I like it let’s do it. Windows refund day 2 baby
Scary le Poo ( @Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org ) 31•26 days agoOn a new install, before powering up, make sure you don’t start it up with Ethernet plugged in, when you get to the Wi-Fi connection stage hit Ctrl+f10
Type in
oobe\bypassnro
And press enter. The computer will restart and now when you get to the Wi-Fi connection screen you’ll have a like that says “I don’t have internet”.
magi ( @magi@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 26•26 days agoOr just don’t use Windows
Scary le Poo ( @Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org ) 8•26 days agoIf only that option were realistic
magi ( @magi@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 8•25 days agoHow is it not? I went from a diehard Windows power user to someone who hasn’t looked back since 2019
Olifant ( @Olifant@lemmy.ml ) 5•25 days agoIt’s not a simple one to one. Everyone’s use case and experience is different. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all in on the FOSS train and I don’t approve of Microsoft’s direction with Windows but it’s still a consistently hassle-free experience compared to Linux for people who just don’t wanna deal with distros, terminals, repositories or compatibility layers.
Citizen ( @xilona@lemmy.ml ) 3•25 days agoWell done mate! You are not alone!
ThePac ( @ThePac@lemmy.ml ) English6•26 days agoIf all games start supporting Linux I will.
magi ( @magi@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 8•25 days agoApart from a few outliers, gaming is painless on Linux thanks to Valves Proton & friends.
toastal ( @toastal@lemmy.ml ) 3•25 days agoAlways online with kernel-level anti-cheat has a tendency to not work, but that is probably a red flag since there are thousands of different games you can play that don’t snoop around ring-0
bleistift2 ( @bleistift2@sopuli.xyz ) English3•26 days agoIf I can control my fans and my GPU in Linux the way I can in Windows I will.
Wave ( @JameUwU@lemmy.ml ) English4•25 days agoTry emailing manufacturers and asking if they already have support, if they dont request that they start or you won’t consider their parts for your next build. Your wallet is a powerful tool that can cause companies to bend to your will if you know how to use it.
magi ( @magi@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 4•25 days agoWill need more info then I can recommend some software
Chahk ( @chahk@beehaw.org ) 1•25 days agoIsn’t this getting blocked in 24H2?
Scary le Poo ( @Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org ) 1•24 days agoNo, only a “normies” exploit involving using a defunct email address is getting blocked.
onlinepersona ( @onlinepersona@programming.dev ) English24•27 days agoThat dude who predicted Windows 12 being a cloud OS was probably dead on the money.
pizzaboi ( @chris@lemm.ee ) English8•27 days agoI’m assuming one would still be able to switch to a local account after installation, but you really shouldn’t need to. What a shit show.
ColdWater ( @ColdWater@lemmy.ca ) 6•27 days agoLuckily m$ didn’t block option to install Linux by permanently enable secure boot and lock bootloader right?
rcbrk ( @rcbrk@lemmy.ml ) English5•27 days ago
MudMan ( @MudMan@fedia.io ) 6•27 days agoHm. So are we all the way there to Win 11 not being installable in fully offline machines, or…? Because niche as that application is, it does sound like the start of a use case for a natively compatible Windows alternative from a third party (say, a FreeWin to go with FreeDOS). I know there are or have been some attempts, but… yeah, long term that seems like it would prompt more focus on something like that.
I suppose it’s more likely that compatibility layers in other OSs would get there first and more practically, but still. Maybe it’s time to move Windows applications from an ecosystem to a standard.
RobotToaster ( @RobotToaster@mander.xyz ) 10•27 days agoThe year of the ReactOS desktop?
On a serious note, I suspect the IOT version doesn’t have this requirement.
darvit ( @darvit@lemmy.darvit.nl ) 8•27 days agoLinux with wine/proton already works pretty good for running Windows programs and games outside of Windows.
haui ( @haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ) 5•27 days agoIn games its on par except a couple niche situations with rootkits and other anti user solutions afaik.
تحريرها كلها ممكن ( @PanArab@lemmy.ml ) 3•27 days agoFreeWin
ReactOS has been around for a while but still in development and not production ready
Bilb! ( @bilb@lem.monster ) English2•26 days agoAlmost 30 years and still basically useless.
henfredemars ( @henfredemars@infosec.pub ) English2•27 days agoI’m sure enterprise editions have to allow it in some capacity. There will always be businesses that will use Windows on machines not exposed to the Internet.
With that said, this is some BS. And MS I don’t want to hear the argument that smartphone vendors do it. They shouldn’t require an account either.
psvrh ( @psvrh@lemmy.ca ) 2•27 days agoMicrosoft would like to introduce you to EntraID.
That’s the enterprise version of this.
henfredemars ( @henfredemars@infosec.pub ) English1•27 days agoIsn’t that cloud based? I don’t think can operate entirely disconnected.
RobotToaster ( @RobotToaster@mander.xyz ) 1•27 days agoDo you think it’s deliberate how similar that name is to “enteral”?
GolfNovemberUniform ( @GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml ) 4•27 days agoBut why don’t you just turn off the internet when setting up Windows? You don’t need any hacks for that
zod000 ( @zod000@lemmy.ml ) 8•27 days agoThe W11 installer sadly doesn’t allow that anymore with the current versions. If you have that older installer, keep it safely archived.
henfredemars ( @henfredemars@infosec.pub ) English4•27 days agoA few months back I installed home edition and this workaround did not work. The installer would not allow me to proceed until it could verify with Microsoft.
katy ✨ ( @cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 3•27 days agoi mean you don’t need a workaround when they put this option right there when you click add account.
ReversalHatchery ( @ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org ) English3•27 days agoThat screenshot does not seem like to be taken from an os installer, both because of the window header with the close button, and the already custimized accent color.
deFrisselle ( @deFrisselle@lemmy.sdf.org ) 3•25 days ago#RUNBSD it is then
Nougat ( @Nougat@fedia.io ) 1•27 days agoDo people avoid Chromebooks for the same reason?
ReversalHatchery ( @ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org ) English2•27 days agoIf I couldn’t replace it’s system with Linux, haven’t bought one