lack of local accounting means its no longer your operating system, youre now using a perpetually required service from microsoft.
the walled garden is putting the last bricks in place. hope all you windows fans are …happy… asking
applemicrosoft for permission to use your own hardware.
“Our Computer”
This is awfully deep. We live in a society.
It’s a real shame. I guess I’ll be running Linux now.
I switched to Bazzite not long after the Recall AI announcement, shrinking my Windows partition to leave it for just VR stuff which currently doesn’t work well outside of Windows, at least on my system. It’s pretty great! Not perfect, but the problems I have on Bazzite are similar enough in quantity and degree to problems I had on Windows that I’ve basically switched out one set of weird OS quirks for another. The big difference is now I don’t have to think about the OS being disrespectful corporate spyware.
That seems like a solid OS. It’s there an Ubuntu based variant?
Not that I know of; Bazzite is completely based on Fedora Atomic Desktops, which are an immutable type of distro that makes the core OS a read-only image that all gets updated separately from system apps. The Ubuntu equivalent of Fedora Atomic Desktops is Ubuntu Core, but I don’t know if Bazzite has a Ubuntu Core-based equivalent. Bazzite is released by a group called Universal Blue, which makes prepackaged OS builds based on Fedora Atomic Desktops, with particular focus areas. Bazzite focuses on including all gaming-related tweaks, apps, configs, and optimizations out of the box, Aurora focuses on general desktop PC functionality, and Bluefin focuses on productivity, but in the end they’re all Atomic/Immutable distros based on Fedora. It’s worth poking through it all and picking one that best suits your needs.
What parts of the immutable OS are read only? Like filesystem wise? I’m not sure I really get it.
The basic of immutable desktops is that every system file (what’s outside your home directory (folder) ) is readonly, you can install apps through the app store.
But I’d say Linux mint (a Non-immutable) distro is what you should try first, because it’s more user-friendly and easier to get help for.
Oh I’ve been using Linux for over 20 years. That’s not an issue.
I have a better idea now of what an immutable distro is thanks to your explanation. I don’t know if that’s what I would want after all.
I think I prefer the freedom of being able to modify my system files and configs as I need to customize my system as I see fit, even if it meansb potentially breaking something.
Same here. I’ll pirate the security updates for the next 3 years and then switch. Fuck Windows 11 and fuck Microsoft.
You can still block it easily with the command prompt (Shift+F10 during the install) as mentioned. But don’t let that stop you from switching to Linux if you feel like it.
Didn’t they block the Shift-F10 workaround in 24H2?
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Apple doesn’t actually make it at all difficult to use a Mac or iOS device without an Apple account. You’re asked once during setup and that’s it. At most there’ll be a red dot in Settings>iCloud.
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There’s one notice, and it’s in the System Settings app. And it’s a little red dot beside the iCloud section. That’s not really the same league as what Microsoft is doing, or Even Google’s nag to use Chrome across all their Web properties.
You’re right about the first-party apps that you can’t remove, but it’s also not the same as, eg, Edge where those apps are used constantly and your preferences are reset on every update.
On my Mac I set my browser to Firefox in 2018. It’s never reverted to Safari, not once, where Windows really wants me to use Edge and goes so far as to not just reset it periodically, but also direct start menu searches and in-app web links to an ms-edge: url instead of using the http handler.
Apple has problems, but this isn’t one of them.
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Apple doesn’t require you to make an Apple ID to use a Mac lol
But apparently you DO need an Apple ID to access an Apple Notes file that was shared to your Android by your crazy ex who doesn’t know that without an iPhone you won’t be able to read their undoubtedly unhinged, rambling guilt trip. Thanks Apple!
its a xmas miracle
The Cask of Amontillado?
We would have that freedom with Android too if those stupid banking apps stopped trying to dictate what you can run on your hardware & Google giving them more features to do so.
This☝️person knows what we are talking about!
Fuck Microsoft
Wouldn’t it be possible to buy a new PC, open the box, and return it right after because you cannot set it up without internet?
If enough people do it, may be PC manufacturers will force Microsoft to add offline setups.
Funny you say that, setting it up without internet is one of the few ways left to still be able to create a local account.
If I understand correctly from the article, you have to enter ‘OOBE\BYPASSNRO’ in command prompt during installation to prevent it from asking to connect to internet. If that’s the only way to set up a local account, that’s hardly an accessible option.
It was not an option one week ago when i tested it. Maybe because I was in WiFi range and Microsoft assumed you have to know the password to at least one of them to pass the wifi screen. No skip button. But could create a new account as unverified using gmail address.
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On a new install, before powering up, make sure you don’t start it up with Ethernet plugged in, when you get to the Wi-Fi connection stage hit Ctrl+f10
Type in
oobe\bypassnro
And press enter. The computer will restart and now when you get to the Wi-Fi connection screen you’ll have a like that says “I don’t have internet”.
Or just don’t use Windows
If only that option were realistic
How is it not? I went from a diehard Windows power user to someone who hasn’t looked back since 2019
It’s not a simple one to one. Everyone’s use case and experience is different. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all in on the FOSS train and I don’t approve of Microsoft’s direction with Windows but it’s still a consistently hassle-free experience compared to Linux for people who just don’t wanna deal with distros, terminals, repositories or compatibility layers.
Well done mate! You are not alone!
If all games start supporting Linux I will.
Apart from a few outliers, gaming is painless on Linux thanks to Valves Proton & friends.
Always online with kernel-level anti-cheat has a tendency to not work, but that is probably a red flag since there are thousands of different games you can play that don’t snoop around ring-0
If I can control my fans and my GPU in Linux the way I can in Windows I will.
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Will need more info then I can recommend some software
If this offer still stands: What info do you need?
$ uname -a Linux bleistift2-Nitro-AN517-41 5.15.0-130-generic #140-Ubuntu SMP Wed Dec 18 17:59:53 UTC 2024 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux$ inxi -Fazy System: Kernel: 5.15.0-130-generic x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 11.4.0 parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.15.0-130-generic root=UUID=b284e9a4-a08c-4e5b-afa2-680e8254cd31 ro quiet splash Desktop: Cinnamon 6.0.4 tk: GTK 3.24.33 wm: muffin vt: 7 dm: LightDM 1.30.0 Distro: Linux Mint 21.3 Virginia base: Ubuntu 22.04 jammy Machine: Type: Laptop System: Acer product: Nitro AN517-41 v: V1.08 serial: Mobo: CZ model: Scala_CAS v: V1.08 serial: UEFI: Insyde v: 1.08 date: 07/21/2021 CPU: Info: model: AMD Ryzen 9 5900HX with Radeon Graphics bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Zen 3 family: 0x19 (25) model-id: 0x50 (80) stepping: 0 microcode: 0xA50000C Topology: cpus: 1x cores: 8 tpc: 2 threads: 16 smt: enabled cache: L1: 512 KiB desc: d-8x32 KiB; i-8x32 KiB L2: 4 MiB desc: 8x512 KiB L3: 16 MiB desc: 1x16 MiB Speed (MHz): avg: 1304 high: 1756 min/max: 1200/3300 boost: enabled scaling: driver: acpi-cpufreq governor: schedutil cores: 1: 1756 2: 1197 3: 1563 4: 1196 5: 1397 6: 1397 7: 1196 8: 1197 9: 1396 10: 1395 11: 1197 12: 1196 13: 1197 14: 1197 15: 1198 16: 1197 bogomips: 105400 Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA GA104M [GeForce RTX 3080 Mobile / Max-Q 8GB/16GB] vendor: Acer Incorporated ALI driver: nvidia v: 550.120 alternate: nvidiafb,nouveau,nvidia_drm pcie: gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 8 link-max: gen: 4 speed: 16 GT/s lanes: 16 ports: active: none off: HDMI-A-1 empty: none bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:249c class-ID: 0300 Device-2: AMD Cezanne vendor: Acer Incorporated ALI driver: amdgpu v: kernel pcie: gen: 3 speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16 link-max: gen: 4 speed: 16 GT/s ports: active: none off: eDP-1 empty: none bus-ID: 05:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:1638 class-ID: 0300 Device-3: Quanta HD User Facing type: USB driver: uvcvideo bus-ID: 3-3:3 chip-ID: 0408:a061 class-ID: 0e02 Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.4 driver: X: loaded: amdgpu,ati,nvidia unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,nouveau,vesa gpu: nvidia,amdgpu display-ID: :0 screens: 1 Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1200 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 508x318mm (20.0x12.5") s-diag: 599mm (23.6") Monitor-1: HDMI-1-0 res: 1920x1200 hz: 60 dpi: 94 size: 518x324mm (20.4x12.8") diag: 611mm (24.1") OpenGL: renderer: RENOIR (renoir LLVM 15.0.7 DRM 3.42 5.15.0-130-generic) v: 4.6 Mesa 23.2.1-1ubuntu3.1~22.04.3 direct render: Yes Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 41.0 C mobo: N/A gpu: amdgpu temp: 38.0 C Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A Info: Processes: 360 Uptime: 7m wakeups: 1 Memory: 14.97 GiB used: 2.28 GiB (15.2%) Init: systemd v: 249 runlevel: 5 tool: systemctl Compilers: gcc: 11.4.0 alt: 11/12 Packages: apt: 2494 lib: 1289 flatpak: 0 Shell: Bash v: 5.1.16 running-in: gnome-terminal inxi: 3.3.13
Isn’t this getting blocked in 24H2?
No, only a “normies” exploit involving using a defunct email address is getting blocked.
That dude who predicted Windows 12 being a cloud OS was probably dead on the money.
I’m assuming one would still be able to switch to a local account after installation, but you really shouldn’t need to. What a shit show.
Luckily m$ didn’t block option to install Linux by permanently enable secure boot and lock bootloader right?
Hm. So are we all the way there to Win 11 not being installable in fully offline machines, or…? Because niche as that application is, it does sound like the start of a use case for a natively compatible Windows alternative from a third party (say, a FreeWin to go with FreeDOS). I know there are or have been some attempts, but… yeah, long term that seems like it would prompt more focus on something like that.
I suppose it’s more likely that compatibility layers in other OSs would get there first and more practically, but still. Maybe it’s time to move Windows applications from an ecosystem to a standard.
The year of the ReactOS desktop?
On a serious note, I suspect the IOT version doesn’t have this requirement.
Linux with wine/proton already works pretty good for running Windows programs and games outside of Windows.
In games its on par except a couple niche situations with rootkits and other anti user solutions afaik.
FreeWin
ReactOS has been around for a while but still in development and not production ready
Almost 30 years and still basically useless.
I’m sure enterprise editions have to allow it in some capacity. There will always be businesses that will use Windows on machines not exposed to the Internet.
With that said, this is some BS. And MS I don’t want to hear the argument that smartphone vendors do it. They shouldn’t require an account either.
Microsoft would like to introduce you to EntraID.
That’s the enterprise version of this.
Do you think it’s deliberate how similar that name is to “enteral”?
Isn’t that cloud based? I don’t think can operate entirely disconnected.
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The W11 installer sadly doesn’t allow that anymore with the current versions. If you have that older installer, keep it safely archived.
A few months back I installed home edition and this workaround did not work. The installer would not allow me to proceed until it could verify with Microsoft.
#RUNBSD it is then
i mean you don’t need a workaround when they put this option right there when you click add account.
That screenshot does not seem like to be taken from an os installer, both because of the window header with the close button, and the already custimized accent color.
Do people avoid Chromebooks for the same reason?
If I couldn’t replace it’s system with Linux, haven’t bought one
