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- hydroptic ( @hydroptic@sopuli.xyz ) 83•5 months ago
It feels like actual innovation in all sectors has slowed to a crawl, and corporations – especially the ones run by MBA parasites – are concentrating more and more on just squeezing money out of people with various bullshit tactics, while at the same time thinning their workforce (naturally the MBAs are never under threat, though)
- Laser ( @Laser@feddit.de ) 50•5 months ago
Oracle was never really innovative on a technical level , it’s first and foremost a company focused on selling licenses, and they’re really innovative in that regard but if you fall for that as a company, I have no pity, this is their whole schtick.
Big companies in general are often rather conservative in nature while innovation happens on smaller scale and later expands.
The big problem is rather that a lot of innovation has been absorbed by the big companies via buyouts, especially when money was cheap to borrow. Innovation bears risk, buying an established solution and milking existing users much less so.
I don’t think the users are without blame. A lot of people ignore the red flags when a solution is just convenient enough (we need the commercial support / this exactly covers our use case so we don’t have to hire someone to adapt it / …) and the vendor then cashes out when moving away from his solution would be really expensive.
I think there’s still a lot of innovation lately, but a lot people are just looking for the next big thing that does everything it feels like.
- pixeltree ( @pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 27•5 months ago
I was a developer at Oracle. We got handed down sales goals. ??? It was a running joke in our org that oracle is a sales company and we just scramble to make what they’re selling. When I left half our org had been laid off or left. Only got two raises in the 5 years I was there. Not worth.
- hydroptic ( @hydroptic@sopuli.xyz ) 7•5 months ago
The big problem is rather that a lot of innovation has been absorbed by the big companies via buyouts
Which ultimately does seem to lead to innovation slowing down. The big players buy out any potential smaller competitors, and very often just outright kill the products / services they inherited in the acquisition.
- NostraDavid ( @NostraDavid@programming.dev ) 1•5 months ago
Oracle was never really innovative on a technical level
Even their RDBMS and SQL was copied from ideas that came from IBM. And I recall either E. F. Codd or one of the SQL guys making a remark about Oracle’s less-than-saviour sales tactics, even back in the 90s.
- some_guy ( @some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org ) 12•5 months ago
We’re at the end-times for western capitalism, where rent-seeking has become the primary driver of markets. It’s happening all around us.
- No_Eponym ( @No_Eponym@lemmy.ca ) 7•5 months ago
- circuitfarmer ( @circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org ) 4•5 months ago
corporations – especially the ones run by MBA parasites
Is that not all of them right now?
- hydroptic ( @hydroptic@sopuli.xyz ) 1•5 months ago
Probably the majority
- Omgboom ( @Omgboom@lemmy.zip ) 53•5 months ago
Oracle quoted us 30K because a small handful of our users needed to use a .jnlp application a couple times per year. It took me a couple of days but I got it working with Corretto and a program called OpenWebStart.
- 4am ( @4am@lemm.ee ) 43•5 months ago
One Rich Asshole Called Larry Ellison
- Corbin ( @Corbin@programming.dev ) English4•5 months ago
Oracle Ruined America’s Cup (Larry Ellison)
- BlackEco ( @BlackEco@lemmy.blackeco.com ) 40•5 months ago
Way to push Fortune 200 companies towards Azul, Adoptium, Correto and other alternative Java distributions, Oracle!
- OsrsNeedsF2P ( @OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml ) 30•5 months ago
Is anyone else in this thread surprised people weren’t using OpenJDK this whole time?
- Echo Dot ( @echodot@feddit.uk ) 16•5 months ago
I’m actually not that shocked. Corporations make weird corporate decisions all the time because they feel as if they’re getting the more professional version or something. They tend to view open source projects as either unprofessional or in some complicated way, actually illegal. Like it’ll turn out that open source isn’t allowed after all.
This is what happens when lawyers who don’t actually know what they’re talking about make recommendations. They don’t know, so they always advise caution. Also they genuinely don’t seem to know the difference between pirated software and open source.
- Avg ( @Avg@lemm.ee ) 10•5 months ago
The reason corporation are like that is because the responsibility is with the employee the decided to use the open source tool, when there is another company backing a product, there is someone to hold accountable. Also, there is a support number if shit hits the fan, and guarantee of support long term if the supplier is financial healthy.
- hglman ( @hglman@lemmy.ml ) English3•5 months ago
Also corruption where the person choosing to pay Oracle also is an owner of Oracle.
- 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 ℹ️ ( @Kolanaki@yiffit.net ) English20•5 months ago
But industry experts have pointed out that businesses with limited Java use would have to license the software per employee under the latest model
Yikes.
- Echo Dot ( @echodot@feddit.uk ) 3•5 months ago
Fairly sure that in that case it would actually be more cost effective to just rewrite the application.
- decivex ( @decivex@yiffit.net ) 8•5 months ago
In most cases they could probably switch to OpenJDK without losing anything whatsoever.
- redcalcium ( @redcalcium@lemmy.institute ) 18•5 months ago
Why would anyone recommend their company to use Oracle stuff these days? Oracle should give kickbacks to people that recommend to use Oracle Database, Java, or VirtualBox in their company so they’ll keep at it /s
- figjam ( @figjam@midwest.social ) English14•5 months ago
Oracle databases are not allowed to run in the Google cloud because of ceo drama
- Arghblarg ( @Arghblarg@lemmy.ca ) 13•5 months ago
Can Oracle kill javascript as well, please? Please?
- 0x0 ( @0x0@programming.dev ) 26•5 months ago
Java is to Javascript what car is to carpet or somesuch
- Sonotsugipaa ( @Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English2•5 months ago
Why would a car have a pet?
- Aatube ( @Aatube@kbin.melroy.org ) 1•5 months ago
I’d say it’s as boat is to airplane
- BeigeAgenda ( @BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca ) 13•5 months ago
JavaScript’s real name is ECMAScript.
- 0^2 ( @zer0squar3d@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 12•5 months ago
We got the notice 2 months ago, I played dumb asking for their proof and they sent a 5 hits detected from ips we owned. Which was a joke.
https://openjdk.org/ for pre built binaries or for installers and jre, use: https://adoptopenjdk.net/releases.html
- taanegl ( @taanegl@beehaw.org ) 6•5 months ago
Oracle is horrible and deserves to lose Java.
- 0x0 ( @0x0@programming.dev ) 9•5 months ago
Corpos nagging corpos? I’ll get the popcorn.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Oracle has started to dispatch Java audit letters to Fortune 200 companies for the first time, according to one licensing expert.
But industry experts have pointed out that businesses with limited Java use would have to license the software per employee under the latest model, a dramatic shift from the one previously offered by Oracle.
But that has changed in recent months, according to Craig Guarente, founder and CEO of Palisade Compliance, an independent Oracle licensing advisory company.
Guarente was speaking on a webinar hosted by Azul, which helps organizations move away from Oracle Java to open source alternatives.
In February 2023, Gartner warned that Oracle “actively targets organizations” on Java compliance following the introduction of new contractual terms for the code.
In July last year, The Register revealed Oracle was sending unsolicited emails to businesses offering to discuss Java subscription deals, seemingly in an effort to extract information that could be to its benefit in future license negotiations.
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