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David Gerard ( dgerard@awful.systems ) M to SneerClub@awful.systemsEnglish · 2 years ago

Why I'm leaving EA

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Why I'm leaving EA

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David Gerard ( dgerard@awful.systems ) M to SneerClub@awful.systemsEnglish · 2 years ago
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Why I'm leaving — EA Forum
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This is a story of growing apart. • I was excited when I first discovered Effective Altruism. A community that takes responsibility seriously, wants…
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  • jax ( jax@awful.systems ) 
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    lmao this person writes a personal goodbye message, detailing their experience and motivations in what reads to be quite an important decision for them, and receives “15 disagrees” for their trouble, and this comment:

    I gave this post a strong downvote because it merely restates some commonly held conclusions without speaking directly to the evidence or experience that supports those conclusions.

    This is EA at its “open to criticism” peak.

  • deborah ( gnomicutterance@awful.systems ) 
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    From the comments:

    Insect welfare (unlike woke identitarian proliferation) is not a priori wrong.

    a community whose commendable openness to unbiased discussion of any idea, uh huh.

    • AllNewTypeFace ( AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space ) 
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      At first I thought that, knowing libertarian-adjacent weirdos, that must be a typo.

    • Amoeba_Girl ( Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems ) 
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      there aren’t morally relevant differences between arthropods and other animals that justifies not equally considering their interests

      That’s funny, this is usually an argument against animal liberation.

  • sc_griffith ( sc_griffith@awful.systems ) 
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    giving any reason other than “the community needs to be more racist” is way exceeding my expectations. well on them

    • David Gerard ( dgerard@awful.systems ) OP
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      thankfully gives that one too, i.e.

      Now I see a community whose commendable openness to unbiased discussion of any idea is being misused by questionable actors to platform their views.

      seems to have been the last straw

      (even as you or i might say “my good bitch have you met rationalists”)

      • Soyweiser ( Soyweiser@awful.systems ) 
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        “my good bitch have you met rationalists”

        It can be pretty hard to admit you have been conned, so I figure this is their defense mechanism, pretending that this all is new and not that it has been there from the start. (The hbomberguy skull guy was one of the early LW people for example (9 years, has it been 9 years already?))

        • flere-imsaho ( mawhrin@awful.systems ) 
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          jfc. i remembered that the aurini motherfucker was very liberal with hard-r, but listening to that clip in 2024 is something else altogether.

          • David Gerard ( dgerard@awful.systems ) OP
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            so much nothing of value was lost when his youtube was finally shut down

  • Christopher Wood ( cwood@awful.systems ) 
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    Is there some EA culture thing where every thought has to be expanded into essay form?

    • Soyweiser ( Soyweiser@awful.systems ) 
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      Lol, this is considered a footnote by the Rationalist/EA standards

      • gerikson ( gerikson@awful.systems ) 
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        Yeah this was bascally a tweet.

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