- barkingspiders ( @barkingspiders@infosec.pub ) English70•3 months ago
I am a little biased because I’ve been using Debian professionally for many years now but we don’t deserve Debian. It is fantastically stable and reliable and makes an excellent platform for running your services off of. If you are at all interested in offering some time and energy to the open source community, consider adopting a Debian package!
- undefined ( @undefined@links.hackliberty.org ) 7•3 months ago
I had to step away from it because packages are just too old.
- Successful_Try543 ( @Successful_Try543@feddit.org ) 2•3 months ago
Have you considered using
testing
instead ofstable
or Siduction?- undefined ( @undefined@links.hackliberty.org ) 4•3 months ago
I should be more clear: specifically I was rebuilding a Docker image based on Debian and needed Node.js for one build step, then Ruby for another as well as the final image.
In the
Dockerfile
there were a ton of weird commands for simply installing Node.js and Ruby whereas on Alpine Linux I could simply install the needed versions fromapk
. I understand it’s preferable to build these from scratch but in the case of Node.js I was looking to simply compile a bunch of assets then throw away the layer.I could’ve spent a bunch of time figuring it out for Debian but I wanted a smaller image in the end anyway too.
- CanadaPlus ( @CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ) 2•3 months ago
They are. You can get .debs through other sources quite often, though.
- undefined ( @undefined@links.hackliberty.org ) 5•3 months ago
This is what I specifically hate about building Docker images based on Debian. Half your
Dockerfile
ends up mucking about with third-party repositories, verifying keys, etc.
- nexussapphire ( @nexussapphire@lemm.ee ) English3•3 months ago
That’s how I feel about arch, it’s not “stable” but the few issues I’ve had they typically have it fixed with an update within hours.
I do have to clarify when I switched to arch from windows my entire computer was brand new and practically no other distro booted or if it installed it dumped me to a black screen.
After running my server on archlinux with the stable kernel for 7 years I did install Debian on my new server. Zfs just required an older lts kernel than I could get on arch without a ton of hassle. I didn’t need it on my Mac mini with an external hard drive plugged in. From my experience it’s not very different to maintain compared to arch but it’s nice having built in automation instead of writing my own.
Man it’s weird using a system of what I can guess is a bunch of bash scripts on Debian to set things up compared to just using the tools built into and written for systemd.
- dan ( @dan@upvote.au ) 8•3 months ago
it’s not “stable”
“stable” in this case means that it doesn’t change often. Debian stable is called that because no major version changes are performed during the entire cycle of a release.
It doesn’t mean “stable” as in “never crashes”, although Debian is good at that too.
Arch is definitely not “stable” using that definition!
- nexussapphire ( @nexussapphire@lemm.ee ) English2•3 months ago
Yeah, I know the definition. I knew someone would quote it verbatim, someone always does. I quoted it because it’s not the word I would use. I like scheduled or versioned releases better but someone always disagrees with me. As far as I’ve seen it’s a major/minor version release cycle anyway.
- puchaczyk ( @puchaczyk@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 24•3 months ago
I just want a Debian-based distro with KDE that’s not poisoned by Canonical’s nonsense
- 4wd ( @fourwd@programming.dev ) 32•3 months ago
Have you tried Debian?
- puchaczyk ( @puchaczyk@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 14•3 months ago
I’m currently on debian. I wrote this comment as a response to the Debian slander in the meme.
- nexussapphire ( @nexussapphire@lemm.ee ) English2•3 months ago
Man Nvidia users are going to be stoked when the get explicit sync in they’re desktop environments in two years. 😂 They’re have been so many small improvements in the Nvidia drivers up until that point I hope they actually update Nvidia drivers on Debian. I understand some of those improvements are not going to work because of the kernel version and the desktop versions.
- dan ( @dan@upvote.au ) 3•3 months ago
I think you’re looking for Debian. If you want newer packages, run testing instead of stable.
- aaaaace ( @aaaaace@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) English2•3 months ago
MX ?
- adr1an ( @anzo@programming.dev ) 2•3 months ago
I’m using mxlinux “ahs” version, it comes with kde at their “ahs” repos for supporting latest hardware and graphics cards. You may also check for the non-ahs, there might be a meta-package for kde plasma and that’s it…
- boonhet ( @boonhet@lemm.ee ) 2•3 months ago
KDE Neon?
- puchaczyk ( @puchaczyk@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 4•3 months ago
It’s Ubuntu based
- Successful_Try543 ( @Successful_Try543@feddit.org ) 5•3 months ago
But afaIk without ‘Canonical’s nonsense’, e.g. snap Firefox.
- yessikg ( @yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) English0•3 months ago
Same, that’s why I’m using Q4OS
- Avid Amoeba ( @avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ) 18•3 months ago
SOFTWARE WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE STABLE
Someone with a case of brain rot.
- Sonotsugipaa ( @Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English29•3 months ago
Me, because I cannot understand how people can miss the facetiousness of this meme template with such confidence
- Avid Amoeba ( @avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ) 4•3 months ago
🪦
- Appoxo ( @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 3•3 months ago
When even the skull is more alive
- Successful_Try543 ( @Successful_Try543@feddit.org ) 17•3 months ago
I still remember this nice ‘feature’ of XScreenSaver.
However, as of 2016 Iceweasel is Firefox ESR again.
- mox ( @mox@lemmy.sdf.org ) 10•3 months ago
Tell me you’re an opinionated novice without telling me you’re an opinionated novice.
(edit:specificity)
- CanadaPlus ( @CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ) 10•3 months ago
YEARS OF BACKPORTS yet NO REAL WORLD USE FOUND for staying more than ONE VERSION behind
I have a really old computer that still gets the job done, and just getting up to Bullseye broke it a bit.
I know, I know, it’s just a meme.
- 🇦🇺𝕄𝕦𝕟𝕥𝕖𝕕𝕔𝕣𝕠𝕔𝕕𝕚𝕝𝕖 ( @muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee ) English10•3 months ago
It makes a great headless server
- conorab ( @conorab@lemmy.conorab.com ) 10•3 months ago
Mentoning Iceweasel in 2024?! Where did you find this meme?! Debian stable?!
- Rusty Shackleford ( @RustyShackleford@programming.dev ) English9•3 months ago
Getthefuckouttamyfacewiththisridiculousbullshit.
- dan ( @dan@upvote.au ) 8•3 months ago
Debian gives you a choice though. If you want stability, install the stable release. If you want newer packages, install the testing release. Just be sure to get security updates from unstable (sid) if you do that.
“stable” in this context means that stuff doesn’t change often. It doesn’t mean “stable” as in reliable / never crashes, although Debian is good at that too.
- Blastboom Strice ( @BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz ) 8•3 months ago
It is possible though to get newer versions using flathub or somethibg, right? (I know very little about linux, but I’m thinking of switching from win10 to debian next year.)
- The Cuuuuube ( @Cube6392@beehaw.org ) English5•3 months ago
- No better time than the present
- Yes there are ways of acquiring the latest packages even on Debian stable. Usually I end up compiling that stuff myself
- If you’re at all unsure if you want to deal with Debian not pushing the latest and greatest updates you do have options such as running Debian Testing or MX Linux (which itself is based on Debian Testing)
- Blastboom Strice ( @BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz ) 5•3 months ago
- No better time than the present
Look, I’m already trying (and kinda succedding) to avoid doing some hard tasks I have to do, don’t push me further into the rabbit hole.😆
Ugh, now I’m considering doing it in 2 weeks, what have you donee
- The Cuuuuube ( @Cube6392@beehaw.org ) English5•3 months ago
Sure thing. Just remember its better to do things you want to do rather than waiting for things to be perfect. Lord knows its something I need reminded of sometimes
- MajorHavoc ( @MajorHavoc@programming.dev ) 4•3 months ago
Sweet. Welcome to the cult of Debian.
We (Debian users and contributors) are inevitable. Our quiet satisfied computing cannot be stopped, only delayed.
We should consider getting some fancy robes and a few club houses, though. The only thing that can make Debian better is cookies and tea.
- TechnicallyColors ( @TechnicallyColors@lemm.ee ) English0•3 months ago
For normal desktop users, yeah Debian Stable + Flatpaks is a winning combo for picking the software that you want to be cutting-edge and leaving the rest to rock-solid stability. Normally Linux distros keep a full ecosystem of packages that interop and depend on each other, but solutions like Flatpak have their own little microcosm of dependencies that can be used independently of the host distro. There are also Debian Backports for when you want native Debian packages that are more cutting-edge but still compiled to work with your older base system. Backports are not available for most packages but sometimes the important ones are available, like the Linux kernel itself. You can also try to compile your own backports, but you’ll be responsible for updating it.
- Jo Miran ( @JoMiran@lemmy.ml ) 7•3 months ago
LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition) is a wonderful self-hosting platform.
- Cyrus Draegur ( @Draegur@lemm.ee ) English5•3 months ago
This makes Debian look kinda good actually…
- mariusafa ( @mariusafa@lemmy.sdf.org ) 4•3 months ago
What’s wrong with having a some year old software? Does it do what you need? Yes. Then what? I have all I need on Debian. Why should I care of new updates. Security? Yes we have Debian security because of that. Look, y’all had the xyz backdoor package in your systems because it was new. Me as a Debian stable user I didn’t have to deal with it. Did I lose something by not having the latests software? No. Well maybe less crashes.
Most privative software also gets weekly updates. Does it make it better? No. You may prefer that.
Also I don’t get the point about the version numbering of Debian packages. Every team uses the versioning they want.
From my experience software that updates a lot tends to break old features a lot too.
Debian suporting freesoftware projects or other stuff doesn’t look as a relevant argument. I mean if you prefer using privative stuff and using that kind of software. Do whatever you like with your Google/Facebook/Apple friends.
But don’t come intoxicate the community with this bullshit.
- bruh ( @bruh@lemmy.ml ) English3•3 months ago
Does it do what you need?
No
- phoenixz ( @phoenixz@lemmy.ca ) 2•3 months ago
Cool, get something else, then.
- yum13241 ( @yum13241@lemm.ee ) 2•3 months ago
Because then people file bug reports for ages old software. Ancient does not equal stable!
- r1veRRR ( @r1veRRR@feddit.de ) 2•3 months ago
I have never had a good experience with a Debian server. Every single time I had to add unstable or third party repos to get anything remotely current to run. What’s the point if you have to add unstable shit anyway?
- Johanno ( @Johanno@feddit.org ) 11•3 months ago
That sounds like a skill issue.