It peaked at 4.05% in March. The last 2 months it went just below 4% as the Unknown category increased. For June the reverse happened, so 4.04% seems to be the real current share of Linux on Desktop as desktop clients were read properly/werent spoofed.
Mwa ( @Mwa@thelemmy.club ) English11•2 days agoMan i hope linux becomes more popular
lazycat ( @lazycat@lemmy.ml ) English7•2 days agoI see multiple posts on reddit everyday asking for advice for migrating to linux. I think linux userbase is increasing a lot since Window’s questionable recall announcement.
Mwa ( @Mwa@thelemmy.club ) English6•2 days agoAnd the valve steamdeck But some people install windows on it which defeats it’s linux purpose
blind3rdeye ( @blind3rdeye@lemm.ee ) 8•1 day agoNevertheless, Valve’s work with proton has pretty much crushed the argument that Windows is needed for games. That use to be a major sticking point, preventing people from leaving Windows - but now not so much.
Mwa ( @Mwa@thelemmy.club ) English1•1 day agoIf you play games that requires anti cheat It’s gonna be harder to switch
Dark_Dragon ( @Dark_Dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English44•2 days agoThe youtuber matt from thelinuxcast sucks.
I am regular user, i don’t code for living and my job is not tech related. I wanted to try linux and many of you guys supported and now I’m using Linux since 2 weeks its linux mint. That matt guy was so against linux mint that i thought it was shit too. But when i installed and started using it. It has been a smooth journey. Many people in linux community were helpful. But people like matt really make it for us regular guys scared to use linux. I really hope many good linux user help regular people switch to linux and increase this number.
SimplyTadpole ( @SimplyTadpole@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English11•2 days agoI get what you mean. I see a decent chunk of often more tech-proficient Linux users putting down Linux Mint, and it saddens me because even though I don’t use Mint anymore, it was still the first distro I properly daily-drove and I still consider it an amazing system for people who are new to Linux.
I’m very glad you’ve been having a good experience with Mint!
laurelraven ( @laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 6•2 days agoI don’t get them putting Mint down either, and I’ve built multiple Gentoo systems… I don’t need an easy distro but still use Mint and like it for what it brings (basically, it’s Green Ubuntu, what Ubuntu was supposed to be before they lost their way)
Synnr ( @Synnr@sopuli.xyz ) 5•2 days agoI assume the problem is hardware. Matt’s hardware didn’t work well with LM, therefore Matt thinks LM sucks… I do wish there was better hardware support but it’s the reason apple went with 1 product = 1 OS = 1 general set of hardware. Sure not every iPhone has the same hardware, but that’s why they have the model numbers, and it’s so much easier to test 200 model mixes than 2,000,000 (Android). Windows gets all the debug info sent directly to them like the others but they also have a huge stack of hardware they can use or they can buy it to test.
laurelraven ( @laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 2•2 days agoDid Matt try putting the regular build on a newish machine? That’s what I did with my current and was struggling until I put the latest kernel on it, should have gone with Edge, but had little trouble after)
Fonzie! ( @lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network ) 56•3 days agoIn all seriousness, I think government bodies switching to Linux (UK’s, China’s, some Indian states’) attributes the most to this.
poki ( @poki@discuss.online ) 50•3 days agoEven if that’s the case, it’s telling of Linux’ maturity.
Fonzie! ( @lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network ) 9•3 days agoOh absolutely!
GolfNovemberUniform ( @GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml ) 37•3 days agoNo I think it’s the Steam Deck. It’s like half of all actively used Linux machines.
thingsiplay ( @thingsiplay@beehaw.org ) 40•3 days agoHalf of the Linux machines on Steam, not the entirety of Linux.
Yes sorry you’re right
FippleStone ( @FippleStone@aussie.zone ) 5•2 days agoA very important distinction
wischi ( @wischi@programming.dev ) 13•3 days agoBut that’s not really a Desktop is it? If we’d count mobile device we’d also have to include Android and then the situation would look completely different.
thingsiplay ( @thingsiplay@beehaw.org ) 10•3 days agoSteam Deck is a desktop. It is exactly the same PC hardware and software you are using on your desktop PC. It runs the same games and is software compatible. Steam Deck is a desktop PC.
Android has a different hardware (not x86 compatible), is focused on phones, its eco system of software is not compatible with PC and in reverse does not run your PC software. Android based smartphones are not a PC.
flux ( @flux@lemmy.ml ) 4•3 days agoBut how many use it for browsing, which I imagine this data is from?
thingsiplay ( @thingsiplay@beehaw.org ) 1•2 days agoValid point to be honest, but the answer is probably more than you think. I have a PC and still used the Steam Deck to browse the web too, not at least to install stuff. Also searching something while playing is useful too. Its made to be docked to bigger screen as well.
While you are probably right, my point was its still a PC, because he compared it to Android. And why this is hugely different. His point was to exclude Steam Deck, because it is not a PC, just like we would exclude Android. This data from the stats probably does not make a difference if its a Steam Deck or not (nor can it tell it? because browsing is the same as on PC, its an Archlinux and regular browser after all). On the other side it can definitely tell if its Android and exclude it.
So regardless if you think people browse the web with Steam Deck or not, this data should not be able to tell the difference between most distributions and Steam Deck, as its just a normal PC with Firefox (or other web browser) from the point of the stats. Just my assumption.
We don’t include Android here. What I meant is that the Steam Deck does count in that statistics.
Bulletdust ( @Bulletdust@lemmy.ml ) 4•3 days agoConnect the Steam Deck to a compatible dock and you can quite easily use it as a desktop. At the end of the day, it’s still an x64 based PC that’s just handheld.
leopold ( @leopold@lemmy.kde.social ) English12•3 days agoSource? Last I checked, the Steam Deck was very much in the minority even when narrowed down to just desktop Linux.
thingsiplay ( @thingsiplay@beehaw.org ) 16•3 days agoSource is the Steam hardware survey set to show Linux data only. He forgot to mention the statement is only true for Steam Gamers, not for all of Linux desktops outside of Steam.
Fonzie! ( @lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network ) 5•3 days agoI believe the Steam Deck would be a significant portion of the Linux desktops, but Steam’s survey might be a biased source, still
thingsiplay ( @thingsiplay@beehaw.org ) 3•3 days agoWhat does significant portion mean to you?
Fonzie! ( @lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network ) 1•2 days agoI can imagine it’d affect statistics enough to see a clear change
I confused it with Steam statistics sorry
737 ( @737@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 10•2 days agono, the statistics are based on browser agents, very few steam deck users browse the Internet on their devices. it’s also only half the Linux devices on steam, not of all Linux desktops
istanbullu ( @istanbullu@lemmy.ml ) 3•2 days agoIn Steam maybe. But this is StatCounter which is website visits. I doubt many Deck users are browsing the web.
For some reason I think a lot of them (probably even more than half) have tried browsing the web or at least using the desktop mode at least once.
Fonzie! ( @lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network ) 3•3 days agoOh that is a good point, why didn’t I think of that!
Vincent ( @Vincent@feddit.nl ) 11•3 days agoI’m fairly sure it’s deficiencies in StatCounter’s measurement that’s accounting for it. Statistical noise, basically.
OsrsNeedsF2P ( @OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml ) 10•3 days ago
TheDuckPrince ( @TheDuckPrince@lemm.ee ) 1•2 days agoIf only linux gaming and thermal became more and more robust, in few year I will switch too with pleasure. Adobe suite can still be a problem but not for me anymore at least.
secret300 ( @secret300@lemmy.sdf.org ) 39•3 days agoI switched to librewolf so I will now show up as windows
OsrsNeedsF2P ( @OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml ) 23•3 days agoAfter seeing Garuda Linux set my user agent to Windows, I set my Windows install user agent to Linux.
Seeing Twitch.tv login break after changing my user agent was hilarious
archchan ( @archchan@lemmy.ml ) 13•3 days agoI unspoofed Librewolf back to Firefox + Linux. That way I’m not contributing to Chrome and Windows market share and perceived dominance. Plus the more people don’t spoof, the less of a need there will be to actually spoof at all as the Linux market share increases.
Possibly linux ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) English3•2 days agoThe problem is that websites sometimes change there behavior.
Sentient_Modem ( @Sentient_Modem@lemm.ee ) 1•2 days agoDo you have any examples of this?
Fonzie! ( @lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network ) 10•3 days agoSame, there must be a percent or so of Windows actually being Linux instead.
theroff ( @theroff@aussie.zone ) 4•3 days agoYeah me too, safety in numbers. Maybe if Linux desktop gets bigger than Windows they’ll swap it around 👨💻
Fleppensteyn ( @Fleppensteijn@feddit.nl ) 27•3 days agoFwiw, my blog’s statistics say Linux is around 10% and I know a lot of browsers identify themselves as running on Windows when they’re not, so I wonder how it’s measured.
mindlight ( @mindlight@lemm.ee ) 17•3 days agoWhat’s is the main topic of your blog?
Fleppensteyn ( @Fleppensteijn@feddit.nl ) 25•3 days agoTravel, nothing tech related
nomad ( @Nomad@infosec.pub ) 15•3 days agoI would wager thats your audiences bias showing up. If you did that measurement in lemmy users, you would get likely 90% Linux users.
Possibly linux ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) English1•2 days agoWe should do a poll, who uses Linux?
pbjamm ( @pbjamm@beehaw.org ) English1•2 days agoSeems like you will get a biased sample here…
Possibly linux ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) English2•2 days agoWhy?
(Joking)
مهما طال الليل ( @PanArab@lemm.ee ) 11•2 days agoI am still hoping it will hit 10% market share within my life time. I remember when it was predicted to hit that in 2010, obviously it didn’t happen*. Of course for me personally, the year of the Linux Desktop was 2007 when I was finally able to use it as my main OS at home, I tried it before many times since 2003.
* not counting systems that use the Linux kernel but aren’t considered a traditional GNU+Linux desktop.
lemmyvore ( @lemmyvore@feddit.nl ) English4•2 days agoI am still hoping it will hit 10% market share within my life time.
Do we really want that?
We have it pretty good right now. I would actually say we’re living in a golden age of desktop Linux: there’s constant innovation, good support, you get to do pretty much everything you need, while flying under the radar.
Linux has won the majority of the industry (servers, mobile etc.) so it’s not like it has anything left to prove.
If it starts getting noticeable on the desktop I fear we’re just gonna get negative attention. Users who take and not contribute, because Windows had taught them to be entitled. Unwanted attention from Microsoft, who I bet are not going to be doing nice things once they start getting paranoid about it.
I really don’t think that large companies like Adobe will care about Linux even at 10% and even if they did, they are a super toxic company nowadays, the least we get to interact with them the better.
ulkesh ( @ulkesh@beehaw.org ) English2•2 days agoDo we really want that?
As long as competition and choice continues to be the mantra of the Linux desktop, then yes, I’d love to see more and more people using it.
We have it pretty good right now. I would actually say we’re living in a golden age of desktop Linux: there’s constant innovation, good support, you get to do pretty much everything you need, while flying under the radar.
Very true.
Unwanted attention from Microsoft, who I bet are not going to be doing nice things once they start getting paranoid about it.
I mean, Ballmer called Linux a cancer pretty early on, so that ship sailed a long time ago.
I really don’t think that large companies like Adobe will care about Linux
Once they start losing large sums of money due to people switching and finding viable alternatives, they certainly will care. Right now Adobe has one main thing going for them – apathy and muscle memory of the aging demographic of their users. That will eventually change.
the least we get to interact with them the better.
Absolutely. I used to be an Adobe fan, back when Kevin Lynch was a part of it, and I was a Flex developer. Then Jobs wrote his thing about Flash, and a year later, not a month after Jobs’s death, Adobe dumps Flex – and literally overnight my position changed from Flex to HTML5 and Java.
dan ( @dan@upvote.au ) 3•2 days agonot counting systems that use the Linux kernel but aren’t considered a traditional GNU+Linux desktop.
Does that mean you don’t count Alpine towards Linux market share? It mostly doesn’t use any GNU stuff.
You can also compile the kernel with LLVM instead of gcc, use musl instead of glibc, and use BSD coreutils instead of GNU coreutils.
مهما طال الليل ( @PanArab@lemm.ee ) 1•1 day agoDo they use the BSD userland instead? Interesting…
Perhaps the definition isn’t good enough or accurate. What would you call a system that perhaps uses Darwin kernel or Hurd plus GNU user land, or any combo of.
dan ( @dan@upvote.au ) 2•1 day agoDo they use the BSD userland instead? Interesting…
I think Alpine uses Busybox, but it’s feasible for a Linux distro to use BSD coreutils. Not sure if any do that, though.
lunachocken ( @lunachocken@lemm.ee ) 6•2 days ago404: Not found
tombruzzo ( @tombruzzo@lemm.ee ) 5•3 days agoOK, who did you guys bully over basic tech support questions?
Madiator2011 ( @Madiator2011@lm.madiator.cloud ) English3•2 days agoWhere do they get data from?
Matúš Maštena ( @DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml ) 2•2 days agoFrom cookies.
Catsrules ( @Catsrules@lemmy.ml ) 3•2 days agoWhat kind? Personally I wouldn’t trust any kind with raisin.
Matúš Maštena ( @DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml ) 1•11 hours agoFrom analytic cookies.
laurelraven ( @laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 1•2 days agoWhat about peanut butter? Or are you more of a salted chocolate kind of person?
Catsrules ( @Catsrules@lemmy.ml ) 1•7 hours agoBoth are very trustworthy.
ALiteralShovel ( @Tixanou@lemm.ee ) 1•2 days agoThey get the data from user-agent strings, so it may not be 100% accurate
dan ( @dan@upvote.au ) 5•2 days agoUser agent strings are frozen these days, at least in Chrome. They still have the browser major version and OS name at least, but Windows will always report Windows 10, Android will always report Android 10, MacOS will always report 10.15.7, and Linux is just “Linux x86_64”: https://www.chromium.org/updates/ua-reduction/
User agent strings are essentially deprecated and nobody should be using them any more. They’ve been replaced by User-Agent Client Hints, where the site can request the data it needs, and some high-entropy things (ie fields that vary a lot between users) can prompt the user for permission to share them first.
laurelraven ( @laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 6•2 days agoOh nice. Googie once again deciding for the entire Internet what it should be using and forcing it down everyone’s throats.
dan ( @dan@upvote.au ) 4•2 days agoUser agents were commonly used for the wrong reasons - fingerprinting, sites that block particular browsers rather than using proper feature detection, etc. so I’m glad to see them slowly going away.
thingsiplay ( @thingsiplay@beehaw.org ) 4•3 days agouMatrix prevents me from loading this statcounter website. :-( Can’t lookup how they measure things. In the comments people assume the stats would be counted by just looking up the user agent, which is a naive approach. I don’t think agencies dedicated to stats are doing it this simple. They have way more possibilities to track and to look what browser you are using. The stats are more accurate than you probably think. They do not need to know the exact version of browser you are using, just which type and maybe what operating system you are on.
If a script for Windows does not work on Linux and fails, then they know you are not on Windows in example.
owiseedoubleyou ( @owiseedoubleyou@lemmy.ml ) 1•2 days agoWhy are you still using uMatrix in 2024? Wasn’t it discontinued 3 years ago or smth?
thingsiplay ( @thingsiplay@beehaw.org ) 2•2 days agoIt’s still useful with all its functionality. Even if it does not get updates, it still blocks most stuff and I can enable or block stuff too. Plus the blocklists it uses are still updated, as they act independently from the main addon. There is no better alternative in my opinion. I use uMatrix + uBlock Origin.
tisktisk ( @tisktisk@monero.town ) 2•2 days agoQuestion: Why is BSD so low? (And why/what is unknown?)
🦊 OneRedFox 🦊 ( @OneRedFox@beehaw.org ) English8•2 days agoThe BSDs got screwed over by a lawsuit in the 90s that made a lot of people hesitant to use them (coincidentally leading to the creation of the Linux kernel). Inertia carried it from there and Linux ended up getting more hardware and software support, which is the primary reason that people pick Linux over the BSDs now.
The Cuuuuube ( @Cube6392@beehaw.org ) English6•2 days agoLess hardware support than Linux without enough substantially better about it to make it anyone’s clear preference. Which isn’t to say it doesn’t have advantages over Linux. Just that the average BSD user is going to be able to easily swallow their pride and run Linux if things went wrong with a BSD install (trust me, I’ve literally done this, these people do exist)
istanbullu ( @istanbullu@lemmy.ml ) 2•2 days agoThere really isn’t a compelling argument for BSD other than interest and hobby. It doesn’t have the industrial use case Linux has.