- rhabarba ( @tux0r@feddit.org ) 99•2 months ago
7.14% unknown!
The year of Plan 9 on the desktop!
- bubstance ( @bubstance@lemmy.sdf.org ) English41•2 months ago
There are dozens of us! Dozens!
- timkenhan ( @timkenhan@sopuli.xyz ) 12•2 months ago
Serious question: you’d use that for your daily driver?
- bubstance ( @bubstance@lemmy.sdf.org ) English32•2 months ago
- thingsiplay ( @thingsiplay@beehaw.org ) 21•2 months ago
A rare sighting of a Plan 9 user! You need to be protected at all cost! Your species is extremely rare and important for future studies.
BTW for a moment I was upset, because I thought this is a screenshot of Reddit. I kinda like the old look of it.
- antrosapien ( @antrosapien@lemmy.ml ) 4•2 months ago
What desktop environment is that? Or is it built in by default or doesn’t work quite similar to linux?
- bubstance ( @bubstance@lemmy.sdf.org ) English7•2 months ago
- t0mri ( @t0mri@lemmy.ml ) 1•2 months ago
They got a DE built in and say GNU is bloated. Foolishness
- nossaquesapao ( @nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br ) 3•2 months ago
Out of curiosity, do you use it for fun, or does it provide you with some specific features?
- bubstance ( @bubstance@lemmy.sdf.org ) English7•2 months ago
I use it because it’s truly a “complete system” in a way that Linux and even the BSDs are not—every program is an example in itself and it comes with a ton of various scratch-built utilities that you don’t usually find as part of a typical Linux distro. Stuff like a basic torrent or IRC client just sort of fall out of the way Plan 9 is organized and implemented.
It also provides me with a distraction-free environment and a set of tools that I enjoy using, even if some aspects of Plan 9 as, say, a laptop daily driver are inconvenient or awkward. It really is better suited for networked computing.
I was pretty much sold from first contact because Plan 9 is the way that I feel best matches what I’ve always wanted from my machines: a simple grid of networked appliances where I can route the various resources and hardware in whatever way I require.
- nossaquesapao ( @nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br ) 4•2 months ago
You explained it so well, that you actually got me interested in trying it some day.
- bubstance ( @bubstance@lemmy.sdf.org ) English7•2 months ago
If you ever want to just poke around a Plan 9 system, SDF Public Access UNIX System offers an ongoing Plan 9 Boot Camp.
Stop by and join us in
com
sometime!
- rhabarba ( @tux0r@feddit.org ) 2•2 months ago
I wish someone would port Python and BorgBackup to it. Venti/Fossil are not quite as nice for multi-OS backups.
- bubstance ( @bubstance@lemmy.sdf.org ) English2•1 month ago
Python 2.5.1 was distributed as part of 9front back when it used
hg
, but it was ultimately removed from the base system once we switched over togit9
. 9legacy still packages binaries, however; they’re up to 2.7.6 for Python and 2.9.2 for Mercurial.I never bother with venti/fossil, honestly. I’m more of a
cwfs
kind of person, but Ori’sgefs
has been attracting my attention lately.
- J'Pol ( @jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org ) 3•2 months ago
I mean, leave it to us weirdos on sdf for stuff like this.
- billgamesh ( @billgamesh@lemmy.ml ) 1•2 months ago
Are you on oftc?
- bubstance ( @bubstance@lemmy.sdf.org ) English2•2 months ago
In
#cat-v
? Not regularly. I mostly hang out in gridchat with a handful of the 9front people.- billgamesh ( @billgamesh@lemmy.ml ) 3•2 months ago
ah. I’ve been doing linux things, but maybe i’ll try out gridchat next time i’m on 9front
- rhabarba ( @tux0r@feddit.org ) 9•2 months ago
Surprisingly many people don’t need the “modern” “web” for daily driving.
- the_weez ( @jodanlime@midwest.social ) 7•2 months ago
Can I join the club, I use 9front
- Laser ( @Laser@feddit.org ) 5•2 months ago
One of the few times I think where this is not only correct, but also most accurate
- frezik ( @frezik@midwest.social ) 8•2 months ago
GNU HURD remains ignored.
- rhabarba ( @tux0r@feddit.org ) 5•2 months ago
Good.
- Possibly linux ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) English4•2 months ago
I unironically would use it
- bubstance ( @bubstance@lemmy.sdf.org ) English4•2 months ago
Additionally, for those that may want a Plan 9 that’s being actively developed and will actually work on modern hardware:
There’s also 9legacy, which is basically “classic” Plan 9 with some patches from 9front.
- Fonzie! ( @lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network ) 3•2 months ago
It says “THE PLAN FELL OFF” and “DO NOT INSTALL”, everything OK over there?
- bubstance ( @bubstance@lemmy.sdf.org ) English3•2 months ago
- rhabarba ( @tux0r@feddit.org ) 2•2 months ago
Please do. Why don’t you yet?
- Eugenia ( @eugenia@lemmy.ml ) English2•2 months ago
The “unknown” is Windows. If you change the graph to see the whole range from 2008 to date, you will see that whenever there’s a big spike or dip on Unknown, it’s the exact opposite for Windows.
- rhabarba ( @tux0r@feddit.org ) 2•2 months ago
Thanks for ruining it for me.
- xavier666 ( @xavier666@lemm.ee ) English81•2 months ago
Sorry but Linux is becoming too mainstream for me now. Time to hop on to BSD
- onlooker ( @onlooker@lemmy.ml ) 5•2 months ago
Check out mister Mainstream over here. The rest of us snooty OS connoisseurs use Collapse OS.
- carlosfm ( @carlosfm@lemm.ee ) 5•2 months ago
Dragonfly BSD, or else it will still be mainstream :)
- sparky@lemmy.federate.cc ( @sparky@lemmy.federate.cc ) 53•2 months ago
Windows 11 is a strong motivator. I suspect like many other people, the only reason I was keeping Windows around was gaming. But thanks to Proton and the Steam Deck, the number of games in my library that won’t run on Linux is vanishingly small. I deleted my Windows partition a few months ago and haven’t looked back.
Install Linux or buy a Mac, fuck Windows.
- fxdave ( @fxdave@lemmy.ml ) 26•2 months ago
Don’t buy a Mac. That’s more limiting than a Windows. But yeah install linux.
- boonhet ( @boonhet@lemm.ee ) 30•2 months ago
More limited, but also less enshittified than Windows.
If you want a good, well-polished experience for certain creative workloads, or even programming, MacOS is great and their Apple Silicon CPUs are excellent.
If you want to do ANY gaming besides WoW (which surprisingly enough has always had great MacOS support) or you can’t stand the lack of configurability, Linux is immediately the superior choice by far.
- Zetta ( @Zetta@mander.xyz ) 8•2 months ago
I would like to add that if you want to do any real customization of your setup don’t get mac either.
- boonhet ( @boonhet@lemm.ee ) 4•2 months ago
Oh definitely
- sunbeam60 ( @sunbeam60@lemmy.one ) 15•2 months ago
Mac?! Christ no, that’s doing the opposite of liberating yourself and it has less gaming than Linux I’d say.
- sparky@lemmy.federate.cc ( @sparky@lemmy.federate.cc ) 4•2 months ago
I didn’t mean for gaming specifically, probably should have used a transition statement. For creative and professional use cases, macOS is still far far better than Windows. For gaming yeah that’s not your platform, Linux is.
I don’t think “liberating” your machine is the reason people are just now getting mad at windows.
- Fonzie! ( @lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network ) 6•2 months ago
- “I can’t choose when to update, anymore”
- “I can’t uninstall all sorts of things, anymore”
- “I can’t even use my perfectly fine laptop of 6 years old, anymore”
It’s all about liberation, I’d say.
- fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ( @fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English2•2 months ago
“I can’t choose when to update, anymore”
That changed with windows 8 12 years ago.
“I can’t uninstall all sorts of things, anymore”
Unless you installed the embedded versions of windows you’ve never been able to do that, best you could do was turn like 5 things off in the features screen.
“I can’t even use my perfectly fine laptop of 6 years old, anymore”
I wouldn’t call your computer not getting updates so you install a different OS “liberating” it.
Also your computer not getting updates doesn’t magically turn it into a brick, you can still use it just fine. This is something I’ve never understood. As long as your web browser still gets updates that’s the biggest security vulnerability that I’d be afraid of. Chrome supported Windows 7 until 109 in 2023, and Firefox ESR is still going until September this year. 10th gen and older intel machines don’t get graphics updates anymore, are those machines ewaste? Shit some shitty laptops never get bios updates and there’s a whole host of vulnerabilities there.
- MCasq_qsaCJ_234 ( @MCasq_qsaCJ_234@lemmy.zip ) 1•2 months ago
And not to mention specific equipment such as train management that uses Windows XP, Windows 98 or 95. Just one example.
- Fonzie! ( @lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network ) 1•2 months ago
That changed with windows 8 12 years ago.
Oh yeah, it’s been a gradual process.
- pipsqueak1984 ( @northmaple1984@lemmy.ca ) 10•2 months ago
Gaming works pretty damn well as far as I’m concerned, the few that I can’t get to work are irrelevant.
I’m keeping Windows around for work… fuck Autodesk and fuck Dassault. So I am trying to get a VM with GPU pass through to work (had it working once but then I screwed it up and now I can’t seem to get it working again).
- OR3X ( @OR3X@lemm.ee ) 4•2 months ago
I dicked around with the VM route for a while and could never really get it working 100% to my liking. There was always a trade-off. I ended up just getting a second PC and tucking it in a cabinet out of sight. When I need Windows I just use remote desktop to connect to it.
- thingsiplay ( @thingsiplay@beehaw.org ) 4•2 months ago
I’m Linux user since 2008 and as much as I want to agree with you, I can’t. Even if Mac is much closer to Linux with its BSD roots, I probably would choose Windows over Mac. Why? Because Windows is much more open and less restrictive than OS X. And there is the support and compatibility of Steam games (and games in general) in Windows. The hardware repair ability is terrible on Apple too.
Yes, Microsoft is bad, Windows is bad; so is Apple and OS X. I personally can’t live with the restrictions Apple has.
- Solaris1789 ( @Solaris1789@jlai.lu ) 43•2 months ago
FREEBSD >0.009% RAAAAAH 👹👹👹💪💪💪💪💪🦾🔥🔥🔥
- Possibly linux ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) English2•2 months ago
BSD is dying
It is sad but we build up Linux so we have a libre privacy and freedom alternative
- thingsiplay ( @thingsiplay@beehaw.org ) 33•2 months ago
Is someone kind enough to post a screenshot of the stats? I can’t access it, because its a known tracking site and get blocked by the plugins.
- thingsiplay ( @thingsiplay@beehaw.org ) 34•2 months ago
Okay, I have bit the bullet and made an exception to provide screenshots myself:
- ReversalHatchery ( @ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org ) English5•2 months ago
Next time try out visiting the page through archive.org
- thingsiplay ( @thingsiplay@beehaw.org ) 6•2 months ago
I didn’t think of it, because I always think or archive.org as older pages/versions. The problem is, is it updated to current? It’s a big site, so probably it will be. Good idea, I’ll check that next time through archive.org.
- ReversalHatchery ( @ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org ) English3•2 months ago
You can always* request a new archive of a website. If you log in (warning: it has to load google code at least when registering) you can also request a screenshot (which I don’t know how you find later on, but right after you get a link) and recursive archiving with a depth of 1.
Interactive elements remain interactive nowadays, but it has limitations.In some cases archive.today is worth a try too. It has workarounds for e.g. facebook, or at least in the past it had a fake account to be able to save facebook content.
But this one loads whatever code from yandex, so if that’s problematic for you be sure to block it. uMatrix is best for that task, probably uBO can do it too, the Firefox version I mean.These sites are basically my “remote browser”, and often it’ll be even useful for others that I requested an archive. Quite often I’m requesting the first one.
* mostly, but you can’t if the site was very recently archived, like in 30 minutes. Then there are some sites that are blacklisted for some reason but not much.
- Possibly linux ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) English3•2 months ago
I wonder what happened to OS X
- thingsiplay ( @thingsiplay@beehaw.org ) 4•2 months ago
It does not mean that something happened with MacOS / OS X. If it stays the same and everyone else gets bigger, then the same gets smaller relatively speaking. Look at the dip for OS X in Nov 2023. Looks like almost the same amount of up for Windows. Also Chrome OS went a bit down and Unknown went up, only Linux stays the same.
So either something in their software changed or it was really a phase of people buying new computers and changing their OS. For a fact, I also build my PC in Nov 2023 (but stayed on Linux). Maybe that was a time of new hardware or lower prices, don’t remember exactly.
- InternetUser2012 ( @InternetUser2012@lemmy.today ) 27•2 months ago
Microsoft’s advertising campaign for people to switch to Linux is working great.
- Clot ( @clot27@lemm.ee ) English23•2 months ago
It is 16% in India, lessgo!
- rand_alpha19 ( @rand_alpha19@moist.catsweat.com ) 21•2 months ago
Cool. My wife switched to LMDE yesterday, so that’s one more into the fold.
- Fonzie! ( @lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network ) 2•2 months ago
If only MS Office worked well on Linux, due to her muscle memory, my wife would’ve switched to Fedora for her laptop. Aside from light gaming (Sims 4, mostly), she’s not a tech-person at all, so that’s saying something in my book!
- rand_alpha19 ( @rand_alpha19@moist.catsweat.com ) 2•2 months ago
She might adjust to LibreOffice, it borrows heavily from the MS Office UI. I think it’s also available on Windows if she wants to try it before switching. Sims 4 works great on Linux too.
- istanbullu ( @istanbullu@lemmy.ml ) 17•2 months ago
The crowdstrike failure is probably helping Linux.
- flux ( @flux@lemmy.ml ) English2•2 months ago
I highly doubt businesses would have been this fast in making the switch.
- istanbullu ( @istanbullu@lemmy.ml ) 1•2 months ago
It helps to move quickly when your entire infrastructure crashes.
- 0x0 ( @0x0@programming.dev ) 16•2 months ago
Thank you Windows 11!
- Aniki ( @gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org ) 15•2 months ago
I understand you’re excited, but aren’t you overdoing it a bit?
Quick give me more subs to crosspost
- Possibly linux ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) English12•2 months ago
We need more cross posts
- GolfNovemberUniform ( @GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml ) 14•2 months ago
Hmm is this really happening so fast? It’s a little hard to believe.
- ulkesh ( @ulkesh@beehaw.org ) English16•2 months ago
I suspect it’s a bump due to Windows Recall. I know I fully switched because of it after 25 years of off and on the Linux Desktop. And I will not be going back.
- GolfNovemberUniform ( @GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml ) 15•2 months ago
I suspect it’s a bump due to Windows Recall.
I don’t believe it that much. It may just be the Steam Deck’s financial success. But everything is possible.
- RanceMcGrew ( @RanceMcGrew@infosec.pub ) English13•2 months ago
100% switched because of Recall. Been a Linux user on and off for 20 years, windows was my daily driver for the past 5 or so (windows 10 was OK in my mind). Once Recall was announced, I bounced back to Linux. Having Steam popularize gaming on Linux has helped a ton
- ulkesh ( @ulkesh@beehaw.org ) English10•2 months ago
Maybe not, but, anecdotally, I know of a number of people who have made the switch because of Recall. Steam Deck surely adds to it, but people who have the choice to stop using Windows seem to be doing so.
- GolfNovemberUniform ( @GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml ) 5•2 months ago
Maybe not, but, anecdotally, I know of a number of people who have made the switch because of Recall.
Tbh I don’t get it. Wasn’t this feature only on Copilot+ PCs that almost nobody had? Why did so many switch if it wasn’t even confirmed that it’s coming to regular x86 machines? I always find it extremely weird.
- RanceMcGrew ( @RanceMcGrew@infosec.pub ) English18•2 months ago
Microsoft showed their hand and for some it was the last straw. It might not come to non-copilot pcs (for now) but they showed users they are OK with turning the OS into spyware.
- GolfNovemberUniform ( @GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml ) 7•2 months ago
Imo Windows is not even an OS anymore.
- RanceMcGrew ( @RanceMcGrew@infosec.pub ) English6•2 months ago
Agreed. It’s mostly an ad delivery platform these days. Can be somewhat OK if you have a DNS based blocker but hard to block built in spyware.
- thingsiplay ( @thingsiplay@beehaw.org ) 6•2 months ago
Why did so many switch if it wasn’t even confirmed that it’s coming to regular x86 machines?
Panic.
- drkt ( @drkt@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 8•2 months ago
Or they see the writing on the wall
- plumbercraic ( @plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org ) 8•2 months ago
I wasnt thrilled about upgrading to win11 - it adds an irritating layer of stuff that I didnt want or need. The ads and telemetry bugged me too. I was probably going to reluctantly upgrade at some point though.
But then recall was announced and I realised how much worse it could get. Been really happy with the switch to Linux.
- GolfNovemberUniform ( @GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml ) 2•2 months ago
What distro do you use?
- plumbercraic ( @plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org ) 2•2 months ago
Mint cinnamon 21, then upgraded to 22.
- GolfNovemberUniform ( @GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml ) 1•2 months ago
Great choice
- imecth ( @imecth@fedia.io ) 8•2 months ago
Considering this is browser stats I doubt the steam deck has much to do with it, the steam deck is all about never opening anything other than steam.
- GolfNovemberUniform ( @GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml ) 1•2 months ago
Are you sure Steam is not one of the data suppliers for it though?
- nossaquesapao ( @nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br ) 6•2 months ago
Steam deck alone isn’t much. It’s not even popular in a lot of places in the world. But there are a lot of things happening in the market, and each small factor adds up to a general trend. So, there’s no single factor that we can point that will explain the linux growth in marketshare.
- nossaquesapao ( @nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br ) 4•2 months ago
There’s some kind of network effect associated to it, so the greater the numbers, the more likely to grow even more, and faster. For example, when linux was used only by a very few people in IT, most people were unlikely to even give it a try, but now that every class or working group are likely to have one or two linux users, more people will be likely to try it, and so on.
Yes, things move very fast if you haven’t noticed sugar pie
- GolfNovemberUniform ( @GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml ) 3•2 months ago
Sus
- Mio ( @Mio@feddit.nu ) 13•2 months ago
I have been dual booting for some time now. Come back to windows 10 for gaming. But then I suddenly realize that the blizzard games that I play can run on Linux, and even from the same folder with the NTFS partition. I was stunned. No notable performance difference either.
I recently shows my mum that have an old Core 2 Duo that it can run Linux Mint. She said it works, and the computer shutdowns directly when I tell it to do. No more updating windows to wait for before unplugging the power cable. Still have to dual boot Windows 10 for Microsoft Office Word document compatibility and Google Picasa.
She also just have bought a new computer with Windows 11, could barely make it through the installation. So many questions and configuration needed to get rid of ads and popups in Edge. Need to evaluation Mint more before I try to dual boot it on this machine as well.
- elucubra ( @elucubra@sopuli.xyz ) 5•2 months ago
Picasa? That’s been google-bandoned for a while now. What does she use it for? Plenty of photo management tools in Linux. Darktable, Digikam…
If the office alternatives in linux don’t cut it, and she uses Office 365, you can run it in Linux as a PWA
- Mio ( @Mio@feddit.nu ) 1•2 months ago
Picasa because it had worked fine. And the replacement, Google photos, is not an option with storing everything in the cloud. Both Darktable and Digikam looks too advance. I think Gwenview will be a good fit. Will try later when she has the time to test. Just viewing the images in the folder, that is all that is needed.
It would be a good idea with the Office 365 but we don’t want things in the Cloud. If the PWA could run offline it would be a different story.
- Treachery4524 ( @Treachery4524@lemmy.ml ) 1•2 months ago
If you want you can try OnlyOffice, it works really well as a replacement for Office. That is if you only use Word, Excel and Powerpoint. I even convinced some Windows people to use it as its free, open source, cross platform and perhaps even easier to use at this point.
For Picasa maybe digikam? It maybe isn’t a perfect replacement though. You could always try to run Picasa in a VM (or maybe even wine?)
- Mio ( @Mio@feddit.nu ) 2•2 months ago
Microsoft does not follow its own standard for doc and docx. Any other software tries to follow the standard, thus you can get different view of the document depending on what editor you use.
Picasa I think is easier to replace. Just need to relearn. Leaning towards Gwenview. VM is not an option, too complicated and slow for her. Picasa has been depricated for a long time now so it is time to move on.
- hornedfiend ( @hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz ) 12•2 months ago
That FreeBSD club looks pretty good. There’s a niche for every niche.
- Jay🚩 ( @jaypatelani@lemmy.ml ) 5•2 months ago
NetBSD needs some love too 🚩
- yuri ( @yuri@pawb.social ) 10•2 months ago
In my head it’s like half a percent, 4.45% seems huge.
- Blisterexe ( @Blisterexe@lemmy.zip ) 11•2 months ago
about 1/20 computers that browse the web run linux, thats pretty goofy
- MCasq_qsaCJ_234 ( @MCasq_qsaCJ_234@lemmy.zip ) 2•2 months ago
To what extent could it be acceptable?
- yuri ( @yuri@pawb.social ) 8•2 months ago
Goofy like silly, not like unacceptable. Reckon all three of us are happy it’s as high as it is!